McBell
Unbound
I find that to be most interesting as well.
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Understanding Muhammad A Psychobiography of Allah's Prophet by Ali Sina
- Thread starter zenzero
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:areyoucra Ah, now I am the one who has an understanding defect. :Roll Eyes:
It's really nice to see that you are unable to support your stance except by repeating this nonsense. So here are the questions again,
Did you read the book? Why don't you share the parts and the ideas that you found interesting?
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend not4me,
Since you have not even read the thread thoroughly; you have missed what has been mentioned and even if you read them your mind may not be able to be still to get to the bottom of it.
If you do come back with some understanding which am sure friend ben will be able to guide we can surely have a discussion.
Love & rgds
Since you have not even read the thread thoroughly; you have missed what has been mentioned and even if you read them your mind may not be able to be still to get to the bottom of it.
If you do come back with some understanding which am sure friend ben will be able to guide we can surely have a discussion.
Love & rgds
McBell
Unbound
Oh, the idea that Mohammad is not the perfect angel saint that most Muslims try so hard to make him be is rather interesting.
Really?! I am sure I was alone when I checked this thread.Zenzero said:
Are these questions that difficult to answer? Why can't you, at least, defend your position in a meaningful constructive manner?
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301ouncer
Well-Known Member
the challange is flawed. It's again a "I do a cartoon out of your opinion, I bash the cartoon = I owned your opinion."
Can I have the money now please?
301ouncer
Well-Known Member
The strange thing is every link I click on the suppossed refutation given by Muslims I get a dead link with the following error:
Sorry, the page you were looking for doesnt exist. Meanwhile why not read a few of our articles below....
Dont forget to view the navigation sections. Thanks
No thanks. All three links are dead.
Sorry, the page you were looking for doesnt exist. Meanwhile why not read a few of our articles below....
Dont forget to view the navigation sections. Thanks
No thanks. All three links are dead.
301ouncer
Well-Known Member
The likes of fake exmuslim ali tried the following:
ali saying to himself:
1. attack quran, failed
2. attack authentic hadith, failed.
3. attack authentic history, failed.
let me see. what other tricks of the old books is saying:
ah "attack the personality when all fails"
man. this failed too. thats it I quite I will give a flawed challange with some money to make it sound good.
Giving paper money as well. Fake too. If he was truthfull should have offered some real ounces of gold.
ali saying to himself:
1. attack quran, failed
2. attack authentic hadith, failed.
3. attack authentic history, failed.
let me see. what other tricks of the old books is saying:
ah "attack the personality when all fails"
man. this failed too. thats it I quite I will give a flawed challange with some money to make it sound good.
Giving paper money as well. Fake too. If he was truthfull should have offered some real ounces of gold.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Yes, noticed that too, they don't work for me either. Also noticed that Google search gives plenty of hits to pro Ali web pages but little that allows one to discover who he really is.
Given the devious nature of psyops (psychological operations) used by those organizations which operate in the world of the clandestine, Ali may not even exist as an actual person, but rather is merely a virtual cyber figure for masking the true perpetrators behind the FaithFreedom anti Islamic web site.
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Strange,the links worked ok for me
301ouncer
Well-Known Member
If the links are working then it must be the whole truth. We all muslims please stop it. We must believe now.
I was refering to this:
Edit 2007/07/29
The above challenge was issued in 2001 and it hasn't been met yet. See the debates I had with Muslims. Also see the pathetic attempt of some Muslims trying to refute me here , here, here and here. Is that all the Muslim world can offer? Where are the scholars of Islam? Why such an important task is left to a bunch of amateurs who actually do more damage to Islam? Isn't it time that the real scholars come forth and refute my charges?
Is that all the Muslim world can offer? Yes sorry that is all we can offer. We are in a credit crunch. Maybe you can try fleebay for better offers. At least all we got is dead links from you.
4 links dead. http://www.faithfreedom.org/external.html?link=http://www.answering-faithfreedom.org/index.html
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Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Friend zenzero,
Ahem,..in a word yes!...if there is no *I* to respond to the request from not4me, who or what is it that posted the quote above under the name/label zenzero if not an ego consciousness? IOW, who or what is it that responds to this post?
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friends,
Once again,
In addition to posts no. 21 & 25 which may have been missed by many.
Life has no purpose it was, is and will remain.
all forms including human forms evolve and again go back to its source.
This coming and going is simply an illusion and this illusion remains till the mind remains active.
Each incident is only an excuse to find where our minds are stuck and to understand and transcend it.
The mind can only understand through *DUALITIES* and it is for the mind only that humans have developed a label called *god* for an understanding and *satan* as an opposite automatically crops up by default when *god* comes up.
Without the two life will be monotonous, imagine the deserts had no nights and they never could see the moon, do you agree that the moon would never have been the symbol of islam without that? and likewise the sun worshiped in many countries which consider sun to provide all the required energies.
If Jesus was there then Judas too have to be there, If Nathuram Godse never shot Gandhi, none would have bothered to look upto Gandhi as a symbol of non-violence.
Next when ever we speak of *enlightenment* we speak of INDIVIDUALS who are AWAKENED or CONSCIOUS. Conscious of what? Conscious of their own unconsciousness, conscious of the mind play, conscious of the mind saying this is good and this is bad. Conscious that transcending the dualities is to be free, to be present in absentia.
The thread here was just about that, nothing of either Mohammed or Ali Sinai, it is to bring about awareness of our own mind as mentioned if Mohammud was there there must be few Ali Sinais as without them the contrast frame or background of the picture will not be there.
What each individual does is his own karma; and his own karma leads one to LIGHT from IGNORANCE and not be blindly following what a master had laid down.
Does it not create *violence*, when we speak ill about someone? If the mind develops violence then will that be the right KARMA?
Just be AWARE / CONSCIOUS is all the thread is about.
Love & rgds
Once again,
In addition to posts no. 21 & 25 which may have been missed by many.
Life has no purpose it was, is and will remain.
all forms including human forms evolve and again go back to its source.
This coming and going is simply an illusion and this illusion remains till the mind remains active.
Each incident is only an excuse to find where our minds are stuck and to understand and transcend it.
The mind can only understand through *DUALITIES* and it is for the mind only that humans have developed a label called *god* for an understanding and *satan* as an opposite automatically crops up by default when *god* comes up.
Without the two life will be monotonous, imagine the deserts had no nights and they never could see the moon, do you agree that the moon would never have been the symbol of islam without that? and likewise the sun worshiped in many countries which consider sun to provide all the required energies.
If Jesus was there then Judas too have to be there, If Nathuram Godse never shot Gandhi, none would have bothered to look upto Gandhi as a symbol of non-violence.
Next when ever we speak of *enlightenment* we speak of INDIVIDUALS who are AWAKENED or CONSCIOUS. Conscious of what? Conscious of their own unconsciousness, conscious of the mind play, conscious of the mind saying this is good and this is bad. Conscious that transcending the dualities is to be free, to be present in absentia.
The thread here was just about that, nothing of either Mohammed or Ali Sinai, it is to bring about awareness of our own mind as mentioned if Mohammud was there there must be few Ali Sinais as without them the contrast frame or background of the picture will not be there.
What each individual does is his own karma; and his own karma leads one to LIGHT from IGNORANCE and not be blindly following what a master had laid down.
Does it not create *violence*, when we speak ill about someone? If the mind develops violence then will that be the right KARMA?
Just be AWARE / CONSCIOUS is all the thread is about.
Love & rgds
McBell
Unbound
Talk about jumping to conclusions...
Stop what?
Believe what?
Yes, some of the links do not work.
What is your point?
Are you merely trying to steer attention away from the ones that do?
For all your whining and moaning you have gone to great lengths to avoid the thread topic.
Why are you so afraid of the book linked to in the OP?
McBell
Unbound
How so?
What are you talking about?
Just as soon as you acknowledge that the Koranic Challenge has been met...
McBell
Unbound
Hypocrite much?The likes of fake exmuslim ali tried the following:
ali saying to himself:
1. attack quran, failed
2. attack authentic hadith, failed.
3. attack authentic history, failed.
let me see. what other tricks of the old books is saying:
ah "attack the personality when all fails"
man. this failed too. thats it I quite I will give a flawed challange with some money to make it sound good.
Giving paper money as well. Fake too. If he was truthfull should have offered some real ounces of gold.
All this to avoid like the plague discussing the book linked to in the OP?
That must be one damning book.....
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