McBell
Unbound
Links to some of the debates do not work.
But most of them do.
I cannot help but wonder why he is making such a big to do over the links that do not work whilst ignoring the ones that do...?
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Understanding Muhammad A Psychobiography of Allah's Prophet by Ali Sina
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But most of them do.
I cannot help but wonder why he is making such a big to do over the links that do not work whilst ignoring the ones that do...?
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friends,
Have mentioned that as humans we are all part of the whole including every other humans, plants, animals and all forms and no-forms.
The EGO is only when the MIND is active through desires.
Or else we are all from and to the same source.
When our minds remembers this the instant it starts its activities, it is like the darkness receding when light is observed.
BEING is a state where the process is continuing and each of us are in that process; except some are aware of it and others not.
Love & rgds
Have mentioned that as humans we are all part of the whole including every other humans, plants, animals and all forms and no-forms.
The EGO is only when the MIND is active through desires.
Or else we are all from and to the same source.
When our minds remembers this the instant it starts its activities, it is like the darkness receding when light is observed.
BEING is a state where the process is continuing and each of us are in that process; except some are aware of it and others not.
Love & rgds
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Friend zenzero,
The following is a procedural matter of methodical protocol to clarify what your last post means.
It appears to my understanding that the consciousness behind the person whose name at RF is zenzero is giving the impression that it is not mere ego consciousness but a 'transcendent'/'enlightened' one.
Could you clarify this by confirmation or further clarification?
Thank you, respectfully, Ben D.
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend ben,
The mind is again upto its tricks as when the *I* to respond is not there does not mean that a form to respond does not exits.
In the same breath it is maintained that the form is a part of the whole like anyone else's and that a BEING is always in the process of going back to its roots from where it originated and this process continues till enlightenment or buddhahood.
Please do not allow your mind to run wild by imagine things that do not exits and to understand that which does.
Love & rgds
The mind is again upto its tricks as when the *I* to respond is not there does not mean that a form to respond does not exits.
In the same breath it is maintained that the form is a part of the whole like anyone else's and that a BEING is always in the process of going back to its roots from where it originated and this process continues till enlightenment or buddhahood.
Please do not allow your mind to run wild by imagine things that do not exits and to understand that which does.
Love & rgds
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Friend zenzero,
Everything you are saying is basic and fundamental to all who understand the teachings of esoteric Chan and esoteric Taoism, but the conceptual description is not IT for the TRUTH is forever on the other side of the mental representation.
With due respect, my mind is sufficiently serene to understand that your verbal responses are not addressing the relevant questions due, according to your mind, of your ego *I* conveniently not being there. So this question is raised, was the *I* there or was it absent when zenzero started the thread using dualistic conceptualized 'hate' material?
Thank you in advance for your response.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Yes Ok zenzero, your concern about dualistic terms is noted, but that should not have prevented you from forthrightly responding to the salient point of my question to you,...was the ego *I* there or was it absent when you started the thread?
Therefore let us proceed on the basis that the *I* not being present is the norm for you and therefore it applies to all your posts and life in general.
Back in post 62 you state that...
From this statement with which there is general agreement, it follows logically that if the ego (*I*) is not there, then there was no desire in you to start this thread,..yes? And if there is no desire and yet you still start the thread, then there must be some other unexplicable reason as to why you did start it,..yes?
So please explain how and why your mind would start a thread for discussion purposes without any desire to do so?
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend ben,
The same had been mentioned in the beginning of the thread.
Just to share another perspective and that your mind would have taken for granted as been a HATE propelled.
However, if your mind is still having doubts kindly tell him sorry as he can never be satisfied as he is only a part of the WHOLE TRUTH and the other half the thread has brought out.
Love & rgds
The same had been mentioned in the beginning of the thread.
Just to share another perspective and that your mind would have taken for granted as been a HATE propelled.
However, if your mind is still having doubts kindly tell him sorry as he can never be satisfied as he is only a part of the WHOLE TRUTH and the other half the thread has brought out.
Love & rgds
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Friend zenzero,
OK, you say "Just to share another perspective...."
This implies that you wanted to share another perspective.
Omitting 'wanted' does not change the fact that there was will involved in the decision to share.
Dictionary definiton of Wanted: Desired or wished for or sought
WHY else would you share another perspective if your mind was not wanting to?
If you find my reasoning is not logical, please feel free to point it out.
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zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend ben,
The bends of the mind can never be straightened and only way is transcending it.
Yes, agree one can share things in similar perspective when the other too has that understanding.
Yes, accept that found only traces of that.
It is time to see where the mind is taking one to; and not be following it as enough light has been exposed for it to recede.
Love & rgds
The bends of the mind can never be straightened and only way is transcending it.
Yes, agree one can share things in similar perspective when the other too has that understanding.
Yes, accept that found only traces of that.
It is time to see where the mind is taking one to; and not be following it as enough light has been exposed for it to recede.
Love & rgds
301ouncer
Well-Known Member
wooooosh that went over my head. I guess I am just too un-intellectual to understand every single post of this type or nature. Or maybe I am just simple and down to earth type of understandings I have. Hmmmm. I like it that way and will keep it that way. Try explaining dualistic term with pendulum to a my little nephious, they will not be having none of it.
My brain is hurting. Seriously it is hurting. I probably need some lessons in this stuff.
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Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Friend zenzero,
The silence is always there blah or no blah. The blah blah is used only as an expedient to teach that when the blah blah ceases, the silence that passes understanding is no longer obscured by the blah blah.
BTW, re the post from 301ouncer, it does raise a question. If using the word *HATE* which is a dualistic term on one side of the pendulum is not true understanding, then logically using the word *LOVE* which is on the other side of the pendulum is logically likewise not true understanding.
Beyond LOVE and HATE & rgds