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Unemployment solutions

Underhill

Well-Known Member
because of what some consider a "livable wage" and the increase in the price of basic necessities.

There is some of that. But there is also a trend of paying less for the same work. I have roughly the same job as my father at my age. Adjusted for inflation, I make 20% less than he did. He also had a pension and benefits that covered just about 100% of his medical cost.

A lot of the problem with the employment issues we face is that it isn't simple. We have technology issues. Car plants employ a quarter of what they used to in order to make the same cars. We have foreign competition driving wages down. We have a corporate climate that values profits and CEO pay far beyond that of the workers. Over regulations in some areas, under regulation in others.

There is no one solution. And many of the solutions, while they might work in an ideal world, are difficult to implement.

One of my favorite solutions is shortening the work week. On paper it should work. But in the real world it will be almost impossible as you would need a global shift, not just a shift in the US. That is why it failed to work in France.
 
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Midnight Rain

Well-Known Member
So, what do you consider the necessities of life, say for a single person?
This is another good point here. What is a necessity of life changes from person to person and situation to situation.

If I am a healthy person with no real responsibilities outside of myself I could probably get a room somewhere for really cheap or bunk with like 4 other people. This means that I won't have my own place to live and I am subject to being kicked out short term. I can live off of cup ramen, not have a cell phone or internet and get my clothing at a thrift store and hopefully live somewhere that I can walk/bike where I need to go. I could probably get by on well less than 1000 dollars.

But most people aren't that lucky. Either they live with family, have children, debt, medical issues or unable to live in a place where you can simply bike/walk everywhere. Then you need some kind of transportation. At the lowest we are talking about a scooter or some equivalent that will cost you several hundred dollars as well as monthly insurance for it, gas and maintenance. TBH you need a cell phone in this day and age. Otherwise you are set up to a great disadvantage. I am putting a cell phone as something needed for a necessity of life. I put it along with running water and electricity. You could make the case you don't need electricity but it shouldn't be expected to be that way.

If you have medical problems you need medical insurance. Most states don't allow for medicaid unless you are either 1) Disabled or 2) Be or have children. So if you are just "poor" but don't qualify for disability or have children then you are out of luck for healthcare costs. Usually its the same with food stamps as well. They are temporary usually only a few months within so many years. If your job offers you health insurance you are lucky. It means you are working full time or at least 30 hours a week. Problem is you might not be able to afford it even if they do give you the option for insurance. It can be costly and according to the ACA it can be up to 10% of your income. So if you work say 40 hours a week at 8 dollars an hour you make 1280 a month on average your insurance can be 128 dollars a month. But remember you get taxed usually aruond 20% so you only get to keep a little more than 1000 dollars a month. So now you are down to 880. Minus food which even at top ramen prices will be at least 200 a month, 50 dolalrs for cell phone. 50 for elecricity if you are able to split it with someone, 250 at least for rent if you split it and live in the cheapest place you can, you are down to 330 a month for toilet paper, gas, insurance for your vehicle, maintenance, daily living, internet, clothing, cleaning supplies, ect.

Now you are expected to save money. Yet you are still working 40 hours a week. That isn't a livable wage. This is barely barely barely scraping by with the hope that you have no medical expenses other than your premium, no accidents, no repairs that need to be made or anything else that would cost money. If you have the best luck in the world and are a single healthy individual then you could tread water. Now imagine a kid, or accidents or life added in. It gets far more expensive.

I've made 15 an hour and I wasn't rich by any means. I was still "poor". I just wasn't in poverty.
 

Draka

Wonder Woman
A person's health and such can play a part in their monetary needs to get by. I made $7.25/hr when I was single for a while and managed to afford my own apartment and pay my bills and buy my groceries and have cable (way back then I used dial up for internet if that tells you anything). I didn't have a car payment as my car was old and paid off at that time so that was not a worry, but if it had broken down I certainly wouldn't be able to afford another and, given the location and demands of my job, I would be probably out of a job as well. I didn't go to a doctor at all at that point for anything as I couldn't afford insurance and couldn't afford regular doctor visits and wasn't in the VA system at that time either. If I had a medical issue I might have been screwed. Now that was about 10 years ago and while prices have been rising the minimum wage has remained the same. I don't know if I would be able to afford the same things now on the same pay and I do live in a relatively cheap area to live. Take $7.25/hr and place someone in a larger city or different state entirely and just paying rent or utilities would be a challenge. Let alone food.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
So, what do you consider the necessities of life, say for a single person?
A non-run down house that is sealed, efficient, and dry (and preferably no possum running around like in my old house); plenty of money for food, utilities, and adequate health insurance (I'm a bit on the high maintenance side, myself); enough money to save up for emergencies and other "must haves" (such as car repairs and maintenance); enough money left over after that to save and occasionally splurge. But here, where it's cheap, on minimum wage you are looking at a very real possibility of rent alone eating up over half of your monthly income, which leaves very little for anything else, especially in regards to food - unless you are ok with wrecking your health from eating a grocery store dollar-menu every day for every meal. And even with a college degree, it's a struggle to find even just $10/hour because I didn't go to med school (even though I'm highly skilled and do a ton of different things).
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
TBH you need a cell phone in this day and age.
I've ran across a few jobs where they are required. Not optional. Pretty much, anymore, you need a cellphone like we used to need landlines (which I've known several people who have dropped the landline because a cellphone is cheaper).
 

Midnight Rain

Well-Known Member
A person's health and such can play a part in their monetary needs to get by. I made $7.25/hr when I was single for a while and managed to afford my own apartment and pay my bills and buy my groceries and have cable (way back then I used dial up for internet if that tells you anything). I didn't have a car payment as my car was old and paid off at that time so that was not a worry, but if it had broken down I certainly wouldn't be able to afford another and, given the location and demands of my job, I would be probably out of a job as well. I didn't go to a doctor at all at that point for anything as I couldn't afford insurance and couldn't afford regular doctor visits and wasn't in the VA system at that time either. If I had a medical issue I might have been screwed. Now that was about 10 years ago and while prices have been rising the minimum wage has remained the same. I don't know if I would be able to afford the same things now on the same pay and I do live in a relatively cheap area to live. Take $7.25/hr and place someone in a larger city or different state entirely and just paying rent or utilities would be a challenge. Let alone food.
Can I ask what year this was and how much your apartment rent was?
 

Midnight Rain

Well-Known Member
I've ran across a few jobs where they are required. Not optional. Pretty much, anymore, you need a cellphone like we used to need landlines (which I've known several people who have dropped the landline because a cellphone is cheaper).
This is true. It is mostly just assumed that you have a cell phone now. I haven't had a home phone in four years. Never needed it.
 

Midnight Rain

Well-Known Member
2003-2006 and my rent for a one bedroom apt was $350/month. Water and gas included. I paid electric and cable.
Damn that is cheap. The cheapest most Ghetto place in the area I live now had the lowest rent of 480 a month. I don't think it included anything other than garbage.
 

Draka

Wonder Woman
Damn that is cheap. The cheapest most Ghetto place in the area I live now had the lowest rent of 480 a month. I don't think it included anything other than garbage.

I'm in a place now that we've got set up as a 2 bedroom (the dining room is set up as our living room as the kitchen is eat-in size and the living room is sectioned off as another bedroom) and our rent is $400 with water included. Our yard is small as heck though and the basement sucks. :p We'd like a 3 bedroom though and that will run us probably $600-700 a month.
 

Midnight Rain

Well-Known Member
I'm in a place now that we've got set up as a 2 bedroom (the dining room is set up as our living room as the kitchen is eat-in size and the living room is sectioned off as another bedroom) and our rent is $400 with water included. Our yard is small as heck though and the basement sucks. :p We'd like a 3 bedroom though and that will run us probably $600-700 a month.
where do you live? The average house where I live now is around 1,200 a month. Average houses that is.
 

Draka

Wonder Woman
Some older houses that need some fixing up around here can be bought for around $30,000. A nicer one runs around $70,000 and the really nice ones are in the $100,000 range. There are more expensive ones but they are extremely nice.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
What's the solution to unemployment?

Federal Reserve policy - as well as the de facto policy of Congress, the Senate, and the Presidency -- is to "tolerate" (i.e. work to achieve) a certain level of unemployment rather than risk inflation. Historically, the target has been 4% to 5% unemployment. The solution to unemployment then, is in part a matter of politics.

But within the next 20 to 50 years, robots will replace so many of the jobs in the economy that 30% or higher unemployment will become the norm. That's when things will get really really interesting.
 

Midnight Rain

Well-Known Member

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
We'd like a 3 bedroom though and that will run us probably $600-700 a month.
Damn! They call us cheap here and one and two bedroom apartments often run for not much less to about the same. Here you should expect to spend no less than $500 just for a one bedroom. The sad thing is, from what I have seen, rent for apartments in Seattle tend to have a lot of overlap, with Seattle only costing between a few hundred to about a thousand a month more for higher-end apartments.
 

Draka

Wonder Woman
The average cost of living in the largest city in my area of the state is around $775 a month for singles and around $2785 for a family of four.
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/city_result.jsp?country=United+States&city=Boise,+ID
That math just doesn't add up. As @Midnight Rain mentioned, the rent cost doesn't work with that. If the average cost for a one bedroom apartment is around $750 I can hardly see how the remaining $25 would manage to cover everything else for the rest of the monthly costs. Food and utilities alone would outweigh that by far. Medical care couldn't possibly be afforded and just forget about other things such as hygiene needs, auto gas or repair, auto insurance, and let's just forget about the possibility of having to buy any clothing at all. Even socks and underwear would become a strain. There is no way a person could pay rent AND afford everything else on $775 a month.

Okay, let's just do some quick math alright? If someone makes $7.25 an hour and works 40hrs a week (rare for a minimum wage job to be completely full time as most employers will keep them at least just under the 40 mark to avoid paying full time benefits, but let's just go with 40 anyway) then they will gross about $1160 in one month. Now let's take approximately one third of that away for taxes and social security and so forth (as that is about average) and that leaves a person with $773 net for the month. Now, given the average cost of a simple one bedroom apartment runs around $750 there that leaves you about $23 to pay your bills, get your groceries, buy your basic needs, fuel your car (if you have managed to buy outright a used car because you simply can't make a car payment on this money), and pay insurance for both medical and auto. Now, do you see the problem here? Even if you did work full time at that amount you couldn't make ends meet. Now, if you worked a second job part time at about 20 hrs/wk (putting you now at working 60hrs/wk) that would give you approximately $380 net more per month. Add that to the $23 and you now have a whopping $403 to pay your utilities, buy food for the month, insurance, gas, basic necessities and so on. Still not much though when you start deducting everything from it.
 
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