Unemployment solutions

[esmith]

This is aside from rent? The average rent alone in that estimate for a 1 bedroom apartment is over $700. So when they say cost of living they mean cost of living and housing separate?

The figures on apartments was withing the city center, average outside was $668.85, So it didn't make sense to me either.. COL in Boise (the highest in the state by over 4%) is 4% lower than the national average.

 

[Draka]

Damn! They call us cheap here and one and two bedroom apartments often run for not much less to about the same. Here you should expect to spend no less than $500 just for a one bedroom. The sad thing is, from what I have seen, rent for apartments in Seattle tend to have a lot of overlap, with Seattle only costing between a few hundred to about a thousand a month more for higher-end apartments.

The two bedroom apartment I had in Imperial Beach CA (San Diego) cost $575/mo. That was in 1998/99 though. I just looked up my old complex and the going rate now for the same tiny apartment is $1395/mo.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The average cost of living in the largest city in my area of the state is around $775 a month for singles and around $2785 for a family of four.
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/city_result.jsp?country=United+States&city=Boise,+ID

From your source:
Cost of living in Boise is 31.98% lower than in New York Our estimator (with default settings) estimate monthly expenses for a single person at 775.15$ and for four person family at 2,785.42$ (without rent).
Notice, it clearly states "without rent."

 

[Koldo]

How about this gem?

Lower childcare costs/more free childcare programs. In some cases some families are single income rather than a preferred two income because childcare costs can be so high that often times that "second" income is just enough to cover the childcare and maybe pocket a little cash. When looked at that way, many find that bit of pocket cash left doesn't justify all the work they did plus time away from family. It feels like work for nothing. So some don't even bother to get a job until their kids are much older.

I don't agree with what you proprose.
Having children is an option that one may refrain from.
I'd rather see the money being spent elsewhere.

 

[Wirey]

But within the next 20 to 50 years, robots will replace so many of the jobs in the economy that 30% or higher unemployment will become the norm. That's when things will get really really interesting.

Replace 'robots' with 'steam engines' and it's already been done.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Looking over apartment rents here, we have $800 studio apartments. :faint:

 

[Wirey]

I don't agree with what you proprose.
Having children is an option that one may refrain from.
I'd rather spend the money elsewhere.

Nonsense! A society without children ceases to exist. Every society exists solely to allow it's citizens to safely procreate. Any society can be judged accurately by the effort it puts forward at protecting it's own future.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't agree with what you proprose.
Having children is an option that one may refrain from.
I'd rather spend the money elsewhere.

Since when is it a privilege to have children based on socioeconomic status? And while we need fewer of us, we don't need to have child rearing as a privilege for the chosen few. And then, of course, when parents have access to more resources their children tend to do better academically and socially, are less likely to be in jail, and some many other perks that it's foolish to not invest in what has such a high return potential.

 

[Koldo]

Nonsense! A society without children ceases to exist. .

I am not saying that people shouldn't have children.

Every society exists solely to allow it's citizens to safely procreate. Any society can be judged accurately by the effort it puts forward at protecting it's own future.

Bollocks.

 

[Draka]

Looking over apartment rents here, we have $800 studio apartments. :faint:

I just found a 4br 1200sq/ft townhouse for rent here for $585/mo. Would that we actually had money to move right now.

 

[Koldo]

Since when is it a privilege to have children based on socioeconomic status? And while we need fewer of us, we don't need to have child rearing as a privilege for the chosen few. And then, of course, when parents have access to more resources their children tend to do better academically and socially, are less likely to be in jail, and some many other perks that it's foolish to not invest in what has such a high return potential.

I didn't say that child bearing should be a privilege exclusive to the chosen few.

To put things into perspective, there is a limited amount of money to be spent on social causes. I would rather see this money being spent on education, to make untrained people acquire new skills that will let them gain access to better jobs and a better income ( which as a consequence will put them into a better situation to pay for the needs of their children ) than simply using it to reduce the costs of childcare.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I just found a 4br 1200sq/ft townhouse for rent here for $585/mo. Would that we actually had money to move right now.

My ex and I rented a not-too-bad apartment (the main complaint is maintenance was largely and mostly utterly incompetent, and parking was a real pain because they didn't limit cars or assign parking) that was a 2 bedroom for about much.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

To put things into perspective, there is a limited amount of money to be spent on social causes. I would rather see this money being spent on education, to make untrained people acquire new skills that will let them gain access to better jobs and a better income ( which as a consequence will put them into a better situation to pay for the needs of their children ) than simply using it to reduce the costs of childcare.

That child care aid is a first step in working towards education and training, but not just for the children to have a good start, but also for many parents to better themselves with the extra help allowing them to get more education or training. It cost money, but it has a very high potential for high returns.

 

[Koldo]

That child care aid is a first step in working towards education and training, but not just for the children to have a good start, but also for many parents to better themselves with the extra help allowing them to get more education or training. It cost money, but it has a very high potential for high returns.

As I have said before: Limited resources.

 

[Draka]

As I have said before: Limited resources.

Our resources are not that limited. We just spend money on the wrong things.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

As I have said before: Limited resources.

And you also said you support things that would be the result of childcare assistance.

 

[Koldo]

Our resources are not that limited. We just spend money on the wrong things.

What do you mean by 'that limited' ?

I agree that the money is not being spent wisely. But I find it rather far-fetched to believe that all of our problems could be readily solved. It seems far more likely there is a limit to what can be done.

 

[Koldo]

And you also said you support things that would be the result of childcare assistance.

I support spending on education. That's what I have said.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I support spending on education. That's what I have said.

And the child care aid supports education by making it more available and attainable for the child and parents.

 

[Koldo]

And the child care aid supports education by making it more available and attainable for the child and parents.

Which adds up to the cost of education. There is still a multitude of people that would be benefited without this extra investment, so I would rather not invest on it.