Unintelligent Design

SkepticThinker · Oct 30, 2015

rusra02 said:
It is, I think, a matter of seeking to find the true God; examining the evidence available. Most gods who were once worshipped by many are now just a memory, known only to a few, and worshipped by fewer. I think false gods and their adherents cannot prove the gods they worship are truly gods. Others who keep their adherents through threats of violence and death if one leaves that religion likewise show the impotency of their god. In contrast, the true God has acted throughout man's history, foretold future events centuries before they occurred, and then fulfilled his prophetic word. He has millions of adherents today who worship him out of love, I believe, and who are convinced he is the only true God. Once we "really find" the true God, there is no need to look elsewhere. (Acts 17:27)

How are you so sure you've found the one "true god" while everyone else (who believes the same about their god) have got it wrong?
And how are others supposed to look at the situation and determine who's got it right (if any of you actually are right) when you're all making similar claims but none have any good evidence?

rusra02 · Oct 30, 2015

SkepticThinker said:
How are you so sure you've found the one "true god" while everyone else (who believes the same about their god) have got it wrong?
And how are others supposed to look at the situation and determine who's got it right (if any of you actually are right) when you're all making similar claims but none have any good evidence?

The evidence is there, for those willing to examine it, IMO.

dust1n · Oct 30, 2015

rusra02 said:
The evidence is there, for those willing to examine it, IMO.

Where is there?

rusra02 · Oct 31, 2015

dust1n said:
Where is there?

In the historical record made by the true God, and in his communication with mankind through his written Word. In addition, "His [God's] invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable" who deny God's existence and almighty power. (Romans 1:20)

dust1n · Oct 31, 2015

rusra02 said:
In the historical record made by the true God, and in his communication with mankind through his written Word. In addition, "His [God's] invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable" who deny God's existence and almighty power. (Romans 1:20)

Oh yeah... that thing.

SkepticThinker · Oct 31, 2015

rusra02 said:
The evidence is there, for those willing to examine it, IMO.

Muslims would tell me the same thing. Why aren't you a Muslim? How do you know they're wrong and you've chosen the right god?

First Baseman · Nov 2, 2015

rusra02 said:
In the historical record made by the true God, and in his communication with mankind through his written Word. In addition, "His [God's] invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable" who deny God's existence and almighty power. (Romans 1:20)

Very good post.

First Baseman · Nov 2, 2015

SkepticThinker said:
Muslims would tell me the same thing. Why aren't you a Muslim? How do you know they're wrong and you've chosen the right god?

Because we did not choose God, rather He chose us.

SkepticThinker · Nov 2, 2015

First Baseman said:
Because we did not choose God, rather He chose us.

Again, Muslims might say the same thing. Who's right and how can we tell?

I feel like you're avoiding the point.

First Baseman · Nov 2, 2015

SkepticThinker said:
Again, Muslims might say the same thing. Who's right and how can we tell?

I feel like you're avoiding the point.

You don't think either of us is right so stop trolling the question.

SkepticThinker · Nov 2, 2015

First Baseman said:
You don't think either of us is right so stop trolling the question.

That's right, I don't.

But you think you're right. And I want to know how anyone can possibly determine that.

First Baseman · Nov 2, 2015

SkepticThinker said:
That's right, I don't.

But you think you're right. And I want to know how anyone can possibly determine that.

No. God is right. Always. The only way you can find out who's right is if you decide to really care. So I guess you'll never know.

SkepticThinker · Nov 2, 2015

First Baseman said:
No. God is right. Always. The only way you can find out who's right is if you decide to really care. So I guess you'll never know.

Of course I care if one of them is right. I used to think I had it right when I considered myself a Christian. Now, as an nonbeliever I'm surrounded by people of all different faiths all claiming they've got some kind of inside knowledge about the god that's supposedly in charge of all this, and every individual believes something about this god that is slightly different than other individuals even within the same faith. We've got people from the past claiming the existence of Odin or Zeus or Osiris or a whole host of others gods that have long been buried and forgotten. What if one of them was right? Don't you consider it strange that there's no definitive evidence for any of them (including the god you believe in)? It seems to me that you don't know something above and beyond what everybody else knows about such things, which is not too much, as it turns out.

Saint Frankenstein · Nov 2, 2015

rusra02 said:
In the historical record made by the true God, and in his communication with mankind through his written Word. In addition, "His [God's] invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable" who deny God's existence and almighty power. (Romans 1:20)

Really? That's your answer? The Bible? This is so sad, that I wish you were joking for your sake.

dust1n · Nov 2, 2015

First Baseman said:
No. God is right. Always. The only way you can find out who's right is if you decide to really care. So I guess you'll never know.

So, Muslims are right then. I guess I'll go Muslim. Don't know why God wants me to know to go Muslim, but it definitely feels like he's saying Muslim.

rusra02 · Nov 3, 2015

SkepticThinker said:
Muslims would tell me the same thing. Why aren't you a Muslim? How do you know they're wrong and you've chosen the right god?

Again, consider the evidence. Who is the true God and how has he shown that he is?

rusra02 · Nov 3, 2015

Saint Frankenstein said:
Really? That's your answer? The Bible? This is so sad, that I wish you were joking for your sake.

The Bible has withstood the attacks and ridicule heaped upon it for centuries, and stands today, IMO, as what it claims to be, "not..the word of men but, just as it truthfully is, ...the word of God." (2 Thessalonians 2:13)

SkepticThinker · Nov 3, 2015

rusra02 said:
Again, consider the evidence. Who is the true God and how has he shown that he is?

That's what I'm asking you.

SkepticThinker · Nov 3, 2015

rusra02 said:
The Bible has withstood the attacks and ridicule heaped upon it for centuries, and stands today, IMO, as what it claims to be, "not..the word of men but, just as it truthfully is, ...the word of God." (2 Thessalonians 2:13)

It's obvious to me that it's the words of men.

First Baseman · Nov 3, 2015

Seek and ye shall find.

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