United States of Pornography

[Riverwolf]

watching pornography leads to the corruption of mind, forcing one to think lustful and sinful thoughts.

Not really. I don't sexually desire anyone other than my girlfriend. I've watched porn, but I've never seriously desired ANY of those women.

If you witness a murder, are you likely to be traumatised by it?

Of course, but it won't necessarily drive you to murder.

If you are constantly bombarded by images of food, are you likely to become hungry?

Yes, but you're not necessarily likely to steal food.

I'm a vegetarian, but I work at a place that sells a TON of meat, so I'm around it all the time. I have no desire to go back to eating meat.

As the visuals become embedded deeper within the mind they spread to the heart and begin creating emotions, cravings toward that activity. Activities which are not permitted.

Not necessarily. I love watching Superhero movies. (Heck, I've got Batman Begins playing in the background right now.) I have no desire whatsoever to become a Superhero. I love watching Mythbusters, but I don't have any desire to join the team. I love playing thief/assassin characters in the Elder Scrolls games, but I have no desire to become a thief or assassin. (I don't even kill bugs if I can help it.) I played Mortal Kombat and Doom as a kid, but I'm a staunch pacifist. (I still very much enjoy those games; heck, I'm currently working on my own set of Doom levels.)

 

[Father Heathen]

This is like saying playing violent video games will cause people to be more violent.

If that were true we would see kids playing in sewer pipes looking for coins after playing Mario Brothers.

 

[Revoltingest]

I am not imposing anything on anyone. The One Above does the imposition.

I've detected no interference so far.
In fact, life is particularly good.
Be this approval?

 

[Riverwolf]

This is like saying playing violent video games will cause people to be more violent.

In fairness, there are legitimate studies that I've found that have linked violent video games with more aggressive behavior in some children, but those same studies have all concluded that the primary problem is with the parents, not the games.

 

[blackout]

In fairness, there are legitimate studies that I've found that have linked violent video games with more aggressive behavior in some children, but those same studies have all concluded that the primary problem is with the parents, not the games.

I've seen this mySelf.

 

[waitasec]

what i want to know is why porn has infiltrated the clergy?
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all that talk about the peace of god seems to be nothing but bunk...

 

[waitasec]

In fairness, there are legitimate studies that I've found that have linked violent video games with more aggressive behavior in some children, but those same studies have all concluded that the primary problem is with the parents, not the games.

i'm inclined to agree.

 

[ninerbuff]

Sexuality is different to violence. One is a natural instinctive drive that should be properly channelled, while the other is a product of a malevolent character trait.

Which is why some people watch porn. Rather than act out aggressively, blowing a load may release that tension!:yes:

 

[tumbleweed41]

watching pornography leads to the corruption of mind, forcing one to think lustful and sinful thoughts.

If you witness a murder, are you likely to be traumatised by it?

If you are constantly bombarded by images of food, are you likely to become hungry?

As the visuals become embedded deeper within the mind they spread to the heart and begin creating emotions, cravings toward that activity. Activities which are not permitted.

Again, do you have any data to back up the above claims?

 

[JMiller]

According to the APA, no.

Did you google that by any chance? Any chance of pasting the link for me? If it isn't to much trouble!

 

[tumbleweed41]

Did you google that by any chance? Any chance of pasting the link for me? If it isn't to much trouble!

I would suggest starting with this book. Unfortunately, you will have to actually buy is.
The Causes of Rape: Understanding Individual Differences in Male Propensity for Sexual Aggression

This article also gives very good information. (Again, you will have to pay to read the entire article.)
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Both sources are peer reviewed and contain clinical research into the subject.

 

[JMiller]

I would suggest starting with this book. Unfortunately, you will have to actually buy is.
The Causes of Rape: Understanding Individual Differences in Male Propensity for Sexual Aggression

This article also gives very good information. (Again, you will have to pay to read the entire article.)
PsycNET - Direct Products

Both sources are peer reviewed and contain clinical research into the subject.

Not that I don't spend my fair share of money on research and books, but you said according to the APA watching porn, specifically violent porn would not be a trigger for men who are already prone to rape.

Would you mind simply citing a paragraph or summarizing the material you feel supports your remark?

 

[tumbleweed41]

Not that I don't spend my fair share of money on research and books, but you said according to the APA watching porn, specifically violent porn would not be a trigger for men who are already prone to rape.

Would you mind simply citing a paragraph or summarizing the material you feel supports your remark?

http://www.apa.org/divisions/div46/articles/malamuth.pdf (PDF File)

Indicating various non-sexual triggers are as likely to induce the likelihood of rape in males as pornography.

 

[JMiller]

http://www.apa.org/divisions/div46/articles/malamuth.pdf (PDF File)

Indicating various non-sexual triggers are as likely to induce the likelihood of rape in males as pornography.

Ok, but I never suggested violent porn was the only trigger. What you are saying here is "just as likely", which doesn't exclude porn.

Do you feel porn being just as likely a trigger as non sexual triggers, renders the idea of porn as a trigger, useless? I am not sure I understand your point.

Maybe your saying that there is nothing special about porn being a trigger if other non sexual things can trigger just as easily?

Either way, it seemed two now three members objected to me saying violent porn can be a trigger for rapists. So far I see no reason to suggest otherwise.

 

[waitasec]

rape has been around since the beginning...porn isn't the cause...
it has to do with overpowering, controlling..iow...it's a way deviants deal with their sense of inadequacy and inner weaknesses. the use of brawn is the most bonehead way to approach it...
correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't a rapist always stronger, in a physical sense, than the victim?

 

[tumbleweed41]

Either way, it seemed two now three members objected to me saying violent porn can be a trigger for rapists. So far I see no reason to suggest otherwise.

Indeed, and watching the graphic pinball scene in "The Accused" could be a trigger, or a bad day at work, or humiliation, or alcohol, or working out, or simply a member of the opposite sex walking down the street.

The point being, the OP suggests their is a correlation between pornography and instances of rape. When in fact, per capita, their are more instances of rape in countries with sexually repressed attitudes than in countries that are more open to sexuality.

 

[JMiller]

Indeed, and watching the graphic pinball scene in "The Accused" could be a trigger, or a bad day at work, or humiliation, or alcohol, or working out, or simply a member of the opposite sex walking down the street.

The point being, the OP suggests their is a correlation between pornography and instances of rape. When in fact, per capita, their are more instances of rape in countries with sexually repressed attitudes than in countries that are more open to sexuality.

I understand... And agree with everything you said.

The only question I would pose next if I was in the field of trying to understand rapists, would be which triggers if any are more prone to cause rapes, and then figure out why. Obviously they need no trigger at all, but in identifying if any, the most common triggers, may help in identifying possible profiles, etc...

 

[Storm]

I looked for the aforementioned studies on the rates of sexual trauma in sex workers, but my Google-fu is weak.

I would however, urge you all to read this article, as it articulates my problem very well.

Now, again, I don't advocate a ban on pornography. I DO however, find the industry which produces it deeply troubling. It's a symptom, not the disease, but I cannot support it in good conscience.

 

[Oneatatime]

I think we're missing the boat here. Instead of engaging in censorship, which is implied as advocated by the OP, perhaps we should engage in other non-Western punitive measures, such as cutting off the offending body parts. That would surely put a quick stop to repeat offenses...

Not a bad idea when it comes to child rapists.

 

[Skwim]

Not a bad idea when it comes to child rapists.

So what would we cut off women?

To make an exception to never take anything from Wingnutdaily as fact, HERE'S a list they complied of women (teachers)child rapists.