Right, congress can’t criminalize official acts. But if a president commits existing crimes outside the scope of his office then an investigation and indictment can happen.
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United States Supreme Court Rules Donald Trump Is Immune For Official Acts And Is Not Immune For Unofficial Acts
- Thread starter Wandering Monk
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McBell
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***** willow
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Pogo
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No Neil.
anotherneil
Well-Known Member
The 10th Amendment addresses things like this.
anotherneil
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Well, it seems to me like you are confused.
Pogo
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Back in the day when I had a 386 I bought an encyclopedia on a disc, it might have been Britannica, might this be relevant?
Pogo
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Yup, is that not how the Bible and other old documents are interpreted to maintain their relevance?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Delay is their goal. If Trump loses the election all support for him will vanish. If he wins, he dies in office.
Pogo
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But but the Babble.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
And in honor of your Avatar, Isaac wrote the perfect laws.
The opposition can only (successfully) prosecute them if the "official act" was against the law. That is the way it should be. If the "official act" is not against the law the President does not need immunity for it.
Look at the desperate attempts to impeach Joe Biden. They have failed, and will continue to fail because they have not been able to show that Biden has done anything illegal or worthy of impeachment. The same thing would happen after Biden's term in office if they tried to prosecute him. They would need to show he did something illegal. And if they can do that then Biden should face the penalty.
Don't you understand that they just gave the President permission to break the law?
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Subduction Zone
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"Young cat offspring willow". Yes, the auto censor is badly flawed at times. I knew that when discussing martial artis that it would not allow me to say that I once practiced ****o-Ryu Karate.
Pogo
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He didn't really say that did he, oh, Babylon bee, got me. LOL"It's the greatest, most beautiful ruling of all time, and I now have the most incredible immunity," Trump said in his official statement. "The Supreme Court, which I filled with tremendous and brilliant judges, has now made me the most immune president in the history of the United States, which is a great honor. I am now officially immune from everything I have ever done, including looking at the solar eclipse without any eye protection. So immune. Totally immune, they said. No one's ever said that before. Incredible."
Trump Announces He Is Now The Most Immune President Of All Time
PALM BEACH, FL — Following a 6-3 ruling from the United States Supreme Court protecting him from prosecution for official acts done while in office, former President Donald Trump released a public statement in which he announced that he is now the most immune president in history.babylonbee.com
Wirey
Fartist
The truth of the matter is irrelevant (ask Trump about that one).
You'd convince some of the sheep following him that he's a puppet, lowering his support.
You'd terrify everyone in his orbit when you started slamming his confidants in prison, the ones who have no immunity.
You'd remove his argument that the justice system is weaponized.
He would react very poorly to having his number one fundraising speech deleted.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Just a thought, but as presidents are now immune for all 'official' acts, couldn't Biden just disqualify Trump from standing or something, 'officially', of course....?
I don't know if you recall, but let’s take a real example. In December of 2020, Trump had a conversation with his acting Attorney General Richard Donaghue and his acting Deputy Attorney General. He told them to just say that the election was corrupt, and “let me and the GOP Congressmen take care of the rest.”
This is after Bill Barr, his AG, had left the department. You recall, perhaps, that Barr, on December 7, 2020, told the Associated Press that there was not enough fraud to change the outcome of the election. And just weeks later, Trump is trying to pressure his own Justice Department to ignore those facts and work around the law.
Work around the law!
And because this was the President, speaking to members of his cabinet, by this ruling he would immune. The President, ordering his own government to break the law – and he’s immune.
That is what it is going to look like in real life.
I assure you, this is not what the Founding Fathers had in mind.
His answer wouldn't be reliable.
Truthseeker
Non-debating member when I can help myself
Okay, it's more clear to me now that the Supreme Court didn't really try to define if Trump's actions were illegal for the insurrection. They left that to lower courts. The lower court has to decide when he acted in his "official" duties as President. The Supreme Court could have done that. They had ample time to do that in deciding this case. This delays any decisions about that, and ensures that there will no trial before Trump is elected, and it appears he will be, because Biden was already behind and he is losing ground since the debate. It would be hard to find an alternative candidate that would defeat Trump, according to polling, and Biden and those closest to hm don't want him to quit.