Universal Reconciliation religion.

[Meshak]

That was a cop-out if I've ever seen one. If you expect me to sit down and re-read the New Testament just to try to figure out how you're coming up with your doctrine, I'm afraid I'm going to have to disappoint you. If there is somewhere in the Bible where we are told that the wicked will "simply cease to exist," I don't know where it is and neither, I suspect, do you.

I do, I just dont feel like doing home work for you right now. Besides, SW did that for you. Thank her.

Now are you going to change your position? or are you looking for more loophole?.

 

[Katzpur]

I'll do it!

Ezekiel 33:9 But if you do warn the wicked man to turn from his ways and he does not do so, he will die for his sin, but you will have saved yourself.

Isaiah 5:24 Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the LORD Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel

Acts 13:41 "'Look, you scoffers, wonder and perish, for I am going to do something in your days that you would never believe, even if someone told you.'"

Exodus 15:7 In the greatness of your majesty you threw down those who opposed you. You unleashed your burning anger; it consumed them like stubble.

Job 18:16 His roots dry up below and his branches wither above.

Isaiah 1:31 The mighty man will become tinder and his work a spark; both will burn together, with no one to quench the fire."

Isaiah 7:9 The head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is only Remaliah's son. If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all.'"

Isaiah 9:19 By the wrath of the LORD Almighty the land will be scorched and the people will be fuel for the fire; no one will spare his brother.

Isaiah 24:6 Therefore a curse consumes the earth; its people must bear their guilt. Therefore earth's inhabitants are burned up, and very few are left.

Nahum 1:10 They will be entangled among thorns and drunk from their wine; they will be consumed like dry stubble.

Malachi 4:1 "Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and that day that is coming will set them on fire," says the LORD Almighty. "Not a root or a branch will be left to them.


Malachi 3:6 For I, Yahweh, don't change; therefore you, sons of Jacob, are not consumed.

I'm not sure this post was directed to me, savagewind, but if it was, I still don't quite understand what you believe about what the Bible means when it uses the word "perish." I'm assuming you believe that we live, we die, we are resurrected and we are judged. If the wicked "perish" after they are judged, but there is no Hell, what exactly happens to them? Do they simply disappear? Do they die a second time? What happens to them?

 

[savagewind]

I'm not sure this post was directed to me, savagewind, but if it was, I still don't quite understand what you believe about what the Bible means when it uses the word "perish." I'm assuming you believe that we live, we die, we are resurrected and we are judged. If the wicked "perish" after they are judged, but there is no Hell, what exactly happens to them? Do they simply disappear? Do they die a second time? What happens to them?

What happens to dry stubble in a fire? That is what happens to everyone who will not turn from their wicked way. One poster gives them forever to do so. But if forever is for turning away from sinning, how is that God's will be done? You understand, do you not, that sin leads to destruction of even the righteous who have turned away from sinning. Ever hear of World War?

 

[Katzpur]

I do, I just dont feel like doing home work for you right now. Besides, SW did that for you. Thank her.

She didn't actually answer my question. I'm assuming that the two of you believe that the wicked will "perish" after they have been resurrected and judged. You do not, however, believe in an eternal Hell. (Neither do I, by the way.) So will they "perish" by a second death of some kind, or will they simply cease to exist? I'm trying to figure out to what degree they will be punished for their wickedness.

Now are you going to change your position?

or are you looking for more loophole?.

No, actually, I'm very comfortable with my position -- so much so that I don't feel the need to undercut yours. I'm merely trying to better understand it.

 

[Meshak]

I'm not sure this post was directed to me, savagewind, but if it was, I still don't quite understand what you believe about what the Bible means when it uses the word "perish." I'm assuming you believe that we live, we die, we are resurrected and we are judged. If the wicked "perish" after they are judged, but there is no Hell, what exactly happens to them? Do they simply disappear? Do they die a second time? What happens to them?

What dont you understand what Jesus said in John 3-16?

this is not complicated college level English, friend.

You are trying to read more than it says, it seems. do you know that's how Christian community water down Jesus' simple teachings and commandments?

 

[Meshak]

No, actually, I'm very comfortable with my position -- so much so that I don't feel the need to undercut yours. I'm merely trying to better understand it.

If so, why do you ask us questions if you are not going to change your position? so you can claim victory?

 

[savagewind]

She didn't actually answer my question. I'm assuming that the two of you believe that the wicked will "perish" after they have been resurrected and judged. You do not, however, believe in an eternal Hell. (Neither do I, by the way.) So will they "perish" by a second death of some kind, or will they simply cease to exist? I'm trying to figure out to what degree they will be punished for their wickedness.

We do not know. The new scrolls are not open to the public. But Isaiah 65:20 comes to mind
"Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; he who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere youth; he who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed."

I think it means people will still die, but only if they turn away from righteousness.

 

[Katzpur]

What happens to dry stubble in a fire?

It burns.

That is what happens to everyone who will not turn from their wicked way.

Okay. So this is after they've been resurrected and judged as "wicked"?

One poster gives them forever to do so. But if forever is for turning away from sinning, how is that God's will be done?

I'm not sure which poster you would be referring to. That's not my position, though. I don't believe anyone will have "forever" to repent. I do believe, however, that a person may repent after death but prior to being resurrected. I realize that differs from your position.

You understand, do you not, that sin leads to destruction of even the righteous who have turned away from sinning. Ever hear of World War?

Why the sarcasm, savagewind? Of course I've heard of World War. My father served in World War II. He helped liberate one of Hitler's concentration camps. The experience affected him deeply.

 

[savagewind]

Why the sarcasm, savagewind?

Sarcasm is contagious

 

[savagewind]

You did not answer the riddle. World War causes trouble, pain, despair, and death to the righteous. Everyone knows that. It is the reason God does not wait forever for everyone to be together.

 

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