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Universal Reconciliation religion.

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sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize?
That's the general problem with how salvation is perceived. In this kind of race, the "goal" is to get all humanity across the finish line together. Remember: This is a community affair, not an individual affair.
 

savagewind

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Decent Christians won't get many of frubals.

Your frubals seem so lonely.

Truth sometimes seems so bad. I am woefully aware of my meager frubal count as most are for being silly or for saying "happy birthday". It's true.
 

savagewind

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That's the general problem with how salvation is perceived. In this kind of race, the "goal" is to get all humanity across the finish line together. Remember: This is a community affair, not an individual affair.

Right again. I believe that. To try for that does not mean it will ever happen. You are saying you will be victorious. I am not so bold.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
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What did Jesus say?

He says: "for God so love the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life".

Non-believers will perish. so simple.
So they will be resurrected at some point, judged, and then perish?
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
that's what the Bible says.
Where does it say that they will "perish" after they've been resurrected and judged? Since you've also said (unless I misunderstood you somewhere along the way) that there is no such thing as an eternal Hell, I'm wondering what you mean when you say they will "perish." Would that be something on the order of simply ceasing to exist?
 

Meshak

Active Member
Where does it say that they will "perish" after they've been resurrected and judged? Since you've also said (unless I misunderstood you somewhere along the way) that there is no such thing as an eternal Hell, I'm wondering what you mean when you say they will "perish." Would that be something on the order of simply ceasing to exist?

It is there, I will not do home work for you.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Truth sometimes seems so bad. I am woefully aware of my meager frubal count as most are for being silly or for saying "happy birthday". It's true.
Just a quick note about frubals... Long, long ago, the more frubals you got from people, they more your "frubal power" grew. When you, in turn, gave other people frubals, you weren't just giving one frubal at a time, the way it is now. If things still worked the way they used to, if I were to frubal you right now, you wouldn't see your frubal count jump by just 1, but by something more on the other of 10,000. Things just got out of hand, and the system was changed. So don't look at someone like me who has a huge number of frubals and assume that I have been fruballed that many times, because I haven't.

Now, back to the debate... :)
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
It is there, I will not do home work for you.
That was a cop-out if I've ever seen one. If you expect me to sit down and re-read the New Testament just to try to figure out how you're coming up with your doctrine, I'm afraid I'm going to have to disappoint you. If there is somewhere in the Bible where we are told that the wicked will "simply cease to exist," I don't know where it is and neither, I suspect, do you.
 
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Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
That is my observation from your posts.
Really? And I've actually kind of gone out of my way to be one. Have I not been "a decent Christian" because I have been rude to you or have I not been "a decent Christian" because we have a difference of opinion on certain doctrines?
 

Meshak

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I'm glad you've found a soulmate, Meshak, but I'm not sure I like the implication that I'm not "a decent Christian." ;)

and you are a Mormon, they approve of killing their enemy, so I dont trust anyone who claim to be Christians yet practice opposite of what Jesus commands.

just my two cents.
 

Meshak

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Really? And I've actually kind of gone out of my way to be one. Have I not been "a decent Christian" because I have been rude to you or have I not been "a decent Christian" because we have a difference of opinion on certain doctrines?

read my next post too.
 

savagewind

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I'll do it!

Ezekiel 33:9 But if you do warn the wicked man to turn from his ways and he does not do so, he will die for his sin, but you will have saved yourself.

Isaiah 5:24 Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the LORD Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel

Acts 13:41 "'Look, you scoffers, wonder and perish, for I am going to do something in your days that you would never believe, even if someone told you.'"

Exodus 15:7 In the greatness of your majesty you threw down those who opposed you. You unleashed your burning anger; it consumed them like stubble.

Job 18:16 His roots dry up below and his branches wither above.

Isaiah 1:31 The mighty man will become tinder and his work a spark; both will burn together, with no one to quench the fire."

Isaiah 7:9 The head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is only Remaliah's son. If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all.'"

Isaiah 9:19 By the wrath of the LORD Almighty the land will be scorched and the people will be fuel for the fire; no one will spare his brother.

Isaiah 24:6 Therefore a curse consumes the earth; its people must bear their guilt. Therefore earth's inhabitants are burned up, and very few are left.

Nahum 1:10 They will be entangled among thorns and drunk from their wine; they will be consumed like dry stubble.

Malachi 4:1 "Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and that day that is coming will set them on fire," says the LORD Almighty. "Not a root or a branch will be left to them.


Malachi 3:6 For I, Yahweh, don't change; therefore you, sons of Jacob, are not consumed.
 

Meshak

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Really? And I've actually kind of gone out of my way to be one. Have I not been "a decent Christian" because I have been rude to you or have I not been "a decent Christian" because we have a difference of opinion on certain doctrines?

Christianity is not just being nice. We have responsibility to spread Jesus' teachings and commandments accurately. I strongly oppose what you promote.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
and you are a Mormon, they approve of killing their enemy, so I dont trust anyone who claim to be Christians yet practice opposite of what Jesus commands.
Oh, really? Well thanks for telling me. I'd have never known that's what Mormons believe without your kind help. So the bottom line is, if I'm a Mormon, I can't be "a decent Christian"? It really doesn't have anything to do with how I've treated you.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Christianity is not just being nice.
No, it's not "just being nice." But "being nice" is certainly part of it. After all, Jesus did tell His followers that men would be able to identify His disciples by the love they showed one another.

We have responsibility to spread Jesus' teachings and commandments accurately. I strongly oppose what you promote.
Well, I agree that we have a responsibility to spread Jesus' teachings accurately. So we already have something in common. We just disagree with what's "accurate." ;)
 
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