People have been known to have a change of heart in a single lifetime. What is difficult to believe about having an eternity to as well?
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People have been known to have a change of heart in a single lifetime. What is difficult to believe about having an eternity to as well?
I believe anyone can have a change of heart.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
I don't see how anyone, standing face-to-face with Life and unconditional Love could turn her back for eternity. Sooner or later, God will get God's way; it is God's creation, after all.
You don't understand. The things evil does makes the real life impossible. You are giving sin forever to be gone. You're not making sense.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
hopefully, in the right conditions and under the right form of rulership, people will make the right decision and live forever
that is certainly the option God is going to give them...so the choice will be theirs and i believe many will accept it, but not all.
Mangosteen
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I am a Christian Universalist. The Bible really doesn't mention hell much, and what it says is very shaky at best. For starters, the Bible never says hell is a place (except for Satan and his demons); hell could be, for some people, like a consuming fire because God's love is overpowering when they do not want it. The other things is eternity is a long time. Belief will happen for all when they see God for themselves. The bible says its better to believe when you don't see, but it also says its okay to believe when you do (Thomas). I believe the same is true for life after death. Blessed are those who experience eternal life today, but also blessed are those who experience eternal life for the first time. As Philippians says, one day every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord.
Please examine the meaning of the word "every" (3956) which is pas in Greek. It does not have the same meaning as every one with no exception which is more likely the Greek word hekastos (1538).
Is it not better to admit you do not know what The Word is saying than to admit The Word is saying something HE is not saying?
Is it not better to admit you do not know what The Word is saying than to admit The Word is saying something HE is not saying?
I want to clarify. Bad is what I believe is bad (but not necessarily what Heaven believes is bad) and good is what I believe the World believes is good (it may, or may not be). Bad is better. But I am not equating bad with sin. OK?
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
God's not ultimately more compelling than evil?
Oh look! Some one to talk to 
God is more compelling than evil. Absolutely! Did you ever see the movie The Princess Bride? That place they had to travel through was BAD. But better than going around, I think.
God is more compelling than evil. Absolutely! Did you ever see the movie The Princess Bride? That place they had to travel through was BAD. But better than going around, I think.
It is just so disgusting that UR people claim you can be vicious criminal and you can still get to be in heaven.
If it does not matter what you do or dont, why do they even claim to be Christians?
they are worst kind of religious organization I know and they are claiming to be Christians.
If it does not matter what you do or dont, why do they even claim to be Christians?
they are worst kind of religious organization I know and they are claiming to be Christians.
Sin is always a crime against someone or something (the earth and whatever is on it). To believe the worst criminal offenders can be forgiven by The Lord if they just ask HIM and get the same reward as the ones they sinned against is believing The Lord can stand in the same place as the one to whom the apology is due (the one that was sinned against) and extend forgiveness for the offended. Please, how does that make sense?
I don't know, I think what is more troubling is deciding if somebody isn't worth love and forgiveness for any reason. It creates an exclusionary tone, suggesting an "I'm better than you" club because one owns a "forgiven" label and other doesn't.
OK. If someone raped your child and cut off her hands, and after he felt sorry and asked you to forgive him, would you and would you have him over for a family meal with your daughter present?
dawny0826
Mother Heathen
John 3:16 doesn't reference repentance. I'm with Sunstone.
It all boils down to differing interpretations of the Word, anyway.
Judging other Christians and their beliefs, isn't Christ-like and if you find justification in your actions, provide biblical justification for it.
Aren't we talking about God, though? And didn't you claim in the other thread that the love of God was greater, larger, better, more unconditional, etc, then anything humans can possibly dream of offering?
Please see post 292.
I've known parents of children who were murdered find it in their hearts to forgive the murderer. If they can forgive somebody for the worst possible crime, can't God?
I also have difficulty when universalism is criticized for "allowing everybody" into salvation, and then bringing up the worst possible offenses for why it's reasonable to exclude salvation....but then after finding an agreement that murderers shouldn't be forgiven and loved, then the exclusions begin to grow.
And then suddenly, it isn't just murderers anymore. It's:
thieves
slanderers
drunks
homosexuals
adulterers
fornicators
non-Christians
false Christians
Christians who weren't Christian enough
and on and on and on.....
Because God is all powerful?
God, ultimately, is the judge, no? He is the one who has the ultimate say-so. If God says that the sin is forgiven, then the sin would be forgiven.
And, furthermore, how is this any different than under the current system of the believer being given forgivness from God?
Right now, you, the believer, could commit some horrific crime, ask God for forgiveness, and he would extend it. The feelings of the person who committed the crime in no way effect whether you are forgiven or not. Indeed, if that were a required component, then Jesus' sacrifice could not, would not, work. It wouldn't be able to cover all sin, and extend forgiveness, since forgiveness would be dependent upon humans, and not God.
This also muddles up the whole need for salvation.
Salvation isn't required because your sin offended some human. It is required because your sin offended God. God's forgiveness has nothing to do with the offense you gave to the human. God is forgiving you the offense you gave to him. That is what we need to be saved from: God's wrath. Not human's wrath.
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