UPenn transgender swimmer continues dominant season with more record-breaking wins

[We Never Know]

What women had, man taketh away. I still don't think it its right.
"
Fury as transgender UPenn swimmer, 22, who used to compete as a man smashes TWO US women's records in weekend competition and finishes one race 38 seconds ahead of her nearest rival

• Lia Thomas, 22, smashed two U.S. swimming records at an Akron, Ohio contest
• Thomas won the 1,650 freestyle in a record time of 15:59.71 beating her closest rival Anna Sofia Kalandaze by 38 seconds
• She left rivals floundering in a 500 freestyle beating them by 14 seconds
• Last month she competed in a women's swimming event between Princeton and Cornell and has regularly broken records as part of UPenn's team
• Thomas previously competed for the school's men's team for three years before joining the women's team. Her last men's competition was in November 2019
• Some have voiced their anger at her swimming success, claiming it to be 'unfair,' and many refused to refer to her as a woman
• NCAA rules dictate any trans female athlete can take part in women's events if they have completed a year of testosterone suppression treatment

Story here..
https://www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.amp...rds-weekend-meets-14-SECONDS-ahead-rival.html

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

What women had, man taketh away. I still don't think it its right.
"
Fury as transgender UPenn swimmer, 22, who used to compete as a man smashes TWO US women's records in weekend competition and finishes one race 38 seconds ahead of her nearest rival

• Lia Thomas, 22, smashed two U.S. swimming records at an Akron, Ohio contest
• Thomas won the 1,650 freestyle in a record time of 15:59.71 beating her closest rival Anna Sofia Kalandaze by 38 seconds
• She left rivals floundering in a 500 freestyle beating them by 14 seconds
• Last month she competed in a women's swimming event between Princeton and Cornell and has regularly broken records as part of UPenn's team
• Thomas previously competed for the school's men's team for three years before joining the women's team. Her last men's competition was in November 2019
• Some have voiced their anger at her swimming success, claiming it to be 'unfair,' and many refused to refer to her as a woman
• NCAA rules dictate any trans female athlete can take part in women's events if they have completed a year of testosterone suppression treatment

Story here..
https://www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10282301/amp/Transgender-UPenn-swimmer-Lia-Thomas-smashes-records-weekend-meets-14-SECONDS-ahead-rival.html?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw==#aoh=16391605990953&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10282301/Transgender-UPenn-swimmer-Lia-Thomas-smashes-records-weekend-meets-14-SECONDS-ahead-rival.html

Here we go again.

 

[We Never Know]

Here we go again.

I don't think it will be going away.

 

[We Never Know]

Here we go again.

I don't see this as an attack on trans, rather its an attack on females born as females, who worked and trained their butts off for years to be the best in their competition and set records only to have then smashed by a trans.

I don't think its fair to the other females.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

I don't see this as an attack on trans, rather its an attack on females born as females, who worked and trained their butts off for years to be the best in their competition and set records only to have then smashed by a trans.

I don't think its fair to the other females.

Your words are telling, though.... like when you say, "A trans". Most people in the LGBT+ community consider saying "a trans" to be offensive. Correct term is "A trans person".

 

[Revoltingest]

Your words are telling, though.... like when you say, "A trans". Most people in the LGBT+ community consider saying "a trans" to be offensive. Correct term is "A trans person".

Setting aside language complexities & nuances,
what do you think of some women having a big
advantage because they were once men?

 

[We Never Know]

Your words are telling, though.... like when you say, "A trans". Most people in the LGBT+ community consider saying "a trans" to be offensive. Correct term is "A trans person".

Well Im not in a LGBT community so I don't know their lingo. I fixed it. Any better?

"I don't see this as an attack on a trans person, rather its an attack on females born as females, who worked and trained their butts off for years or their life to be the best in their competition and set records only to have then smashed by a trans person who competed as a male until they were 20 years old".

I don't think its fair to the other females.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Setting aside language complexities & nuances,
what do you think of some women having a big
advantage because they were once men?

I don't have the solution other than to say that some assume a trans woman has the capabilities of a man, but the latest articles I've read are saying that with the hormones they take, it becomes more in between the abilities of a cis man and a cis woman.

Also, while some might think a cis man can beat a cis woman in every category, actually cis women have more endurance. Not sure what happens with a person who was born male on feminizing hormones, though.

 

[Shadow11]

Reminds me of a South Park - cautious bad language.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't have the solution other than to say that some assume a trans woman has the capabilities of a man, but the latest articles I've read are saying that with the hormones they take, it becomes more in between the abilities of a cis man and a cis woman.

Also, while some might think a cis man can beat a cis woman in every category, actually cis women have more endurance. Not sure what happens with a person who was born male on feminizing hormones, though.

Let's set aside unreasonable assumptions that some make.
Do you think there's a possibility that trans females would
have an advantage over cis females?
I haven't figured out a solution that would be acceptable
to all. But it would seem to require being based upon
real world results being used to determine eligibility.

 

[We Never Know]

Reminds me of a South Park - cautious bad language.

Dingleberry lol

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Let's set aside unreasonable assumptions that some make.
Do you think there's a possibility that trans females would
have an advantage over cis females?
I haven't figured out a solution that would be acceptable
to all. But it would seem to require being based upon
real world results being used to determine eligibility.

I think they do, however a lot of these threads only highlight the trans women that are great at sports, and not the many that are terrible at it - and those people exist as well.

 

[Revoltingest]

I've wondered how things would turn out if
Brian Shaw transitioned to female. (He's
the one next to the little guy, Arnold.)

 

[Revoltingest]

I think they do, however a lot of these threads only highlight the trans women that are great at sports, and not the many that are terrible at it - and those people exist as well.

Well, the issue is about the trans females who
dominate. The mediocre ones don't negate
the work of the elite athletes.

 

[We Never Know]

I think they do, however a lot of these threads only highlight the trans women that are great at sports, and not the many that are terrible at it - and those people exist as well.

No one talks about males, females, or trans people that are terrible.
People talk about males, females, or trans people that dominate.

 

[F1fan]

As an athlete I am mixed on this issue. Since I am male and have little skin in this issue I'm not sure my opinion is very relevant. I think this issue needs to be discussed among women athletes, schools, sports federations, trans athletes, and experts in the physiology of trans women. From my experience with female athletes in my sport there is a majority who support trans athletes.

I think men need to defer to what women say on this issue.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Reminds me of a South Park - cautious bad language.

The difference is that the swimmer in question passed requirements concerning testosterone levels for at least a year before competing. Whether said requirements are sufficient to guarantee fair competition is a different story (and I don't think there's any easy answer to that), but some comical representation of a trans athlete in South Park isn't remotely useful in this case.

Do you think you were living up to the teaching of love and compassion in your avatar when you posted such a caricature of trans athletes?

 

[Revoltingest]

As an athlete I am mixed on this issue. Since I am male and have little skin in this issue I'm not sure my opinion is very relevant. I think this issue needs to be discussed among women athletes, schools, sports federations, trans athletes, and experts in the physiology of trans women. From my experience with female athletes in my sport there is a majority who support trans athletes.

I think men need to defer to what women say on this issue.

I think all interested parties may weigh in.

 

[We Never Know]

The difference is that the swimmer in question passed requirements concerning testosterone levels for at least a year before competing. Whether said requirements are sufficient to guarantee fair competition is a different story (and I don't think there's any easy answer to that), but some comical representation of a trans athlete in South Park isn't remotely useful in this case.

Do you think you were living up to the teaching of love and compassion in your avatar when you posted such a caricature of trans athletes?

"the swimmer in question passed requirements concerning testosterone levels for at least a year before competing."


All I saw is..
"It is unknown when Thomas began transitioning, but NCAA rules state she had to have completed one year of testosterone suppression treatment in order to compete."

It doesn't say anything about testing during that year.

 

[We Never Know]

As an athlete I am mixed on this issue. Since I am male and have little skin in this issue I'm not sure my opinion is very relevant. I think this issue needs to be discussed among women athletes, schools, sports federations, trans athletes, and experts in the physiology of trans women. From my experience with female athletes in my sport there is a majority who support trans athletes.

I think men need to defer to what women say on this issue.

What about fathers, husbands, boyfriends, brothers, etc. Do they not have the right to speak up?