Aye, Putin is the real victim here.
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US blew up Russian gas pipelines?
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I have never said Putin is a victim.
But neither are the godless financial elites overseas.
Who constantly victimize Americans, their own people.
Heyo
Veteran Member
Because it's Fox News. They are the unofficial voice of the GOP, they have to create a narrative to accuse Biden. If there was evidence that some pubs conspired with the military to have done it, Tucker would praise it as a heroic and necessary act - and then accuse Biden for not having control over the troops.
You won't win over many to your side by
making godlessness part of the problem.
I have so many atheist friends who are wonderful people much more than self-proclaimed Catholics.
These elites overseas are godless because if they believed in a God, they would have a minimum of fear of God (and his judgment), and would never do what they do.
exchemist
Veteran Member
Not huge environmentally. Methane does't pollute the sea much and although it is a strong greenhouse gas, the pipe is not supplying any gas, being shut down at both ends, so all that is coming out is what was in it at the time - and then it will stop. One estimate I have seen is that its climate change potential is similar to the annual CO2 emission of a medium sized city. That's not great, but it's not a catastrophe.
As far as the effect on gas for the winter, the EU had already banked on it not operating, and is ahead of plan filling storage from other sources. A new LNG gasification unit is already up and running in the Netherlands and 2 more are due to be running in Germany within a month or two, so the import capacity has been ramped up a lot.
It could undoubtedly be tough if there is a hard winter, but as nobody was expecting Nordstream to supply any gas for the foreseeable future in any case, blowing up the line does nothing to change that - except to reconfirm that the EU won't ever rely on Russian gas again. And with every year that passes from here on, the reliance on gas as a whole will be reducing, as renewables and nuclear are ramped up. So Putin's threat is pretty empty. But it's all he's got, so he's making the most of it.
The pipeline is owned by Russia by the way, so he's destroyed his own property, not the EU's.
As for what Biden said, I have yet to see an actual quote from him in context. US presidents are often remarkably inarticulate when speaking off the cuff, but then again the media - especially those with a political slant - have a habit of quote-mining people out of context. So I can't usefully comment on that.
Have you not noticed that Putin uses his religion
to justify the invasion...with the church's approval?
I say that your God is more at fault than we heathens.
Heyo
Veteran Member
Yep.
But I've never lost a bet when it came to accusing the US of an international, nefarious act. It's what they do.
I am not understanding this point.
So if Germany wants the Russian gas, she can't have it because Washington DC has decided so?
Kissinger is a theist too, I guess he believes he will go to Heaven.
Each of us has a personal interpretation of religion.
amorphous_constellation
Well-Known Member
I've read articles on nuclear that do make it sound good, but for example, the situation in ukraine where fighting can happen around nuclear power plants does not sound very good at all. And there's also fukushima, which was affected by a natural disaster
I need to remind you that most German media have a clear stance on the event.
amorphous_constellation
Well-Known Member
I don't think that many humans are 'saints,' nor are that many truly 'bad,' but I do think that people get influenced by people who are more influential. As well, different people can be both good and bad, and change from one to the other, over the course of a lifetime. Motivations can conflict. Last night for example, I watched a 3 hour movie on the life of julius caesar. I was trying to figure out what the power interplay was between sulla, pompey, and caesar - sometimes to make a gain, do they not have to falsely ingratiate themselves to others?
exchemist
Veteran Member
All energy generation has its risks. The track record of nuclear is fairly good and it's certainly something we cannot do without if we want to control climate change.
The issue is that renewables can only supply a proportion, say 50-70% of total demand, because they are variable, dependent on the weather. You can manage the peaks and troughs up a certain amount but not to the point that renewables can be 100% of your supply. There has to be a constant base load underneath, that you get from something else. A few nukes scattered about the place can do that job.
Heyo
Veteran Member
I need to remind you that the "Atlantik Brücke" is a thing and many influential journalists are members.
With all due respect but I am realizing Americans are not able to empathize with Europeans. To put themselves into our shoes.
Germany has always bought high quality natural gas from Russia, through one pipeline. And one in construction.
The United States governments (both left and right) have always tried to tell Germany she should not buy this gas. For years.
For years.
The United States have been trying to stop this commercial bargain for years.
Tell me what I am supposed to think.
In this case, religion inspires death &
destruction in conquest of another country.
It depends on how one interprets them.
It's how Putin & the Russian Orthodox Church
interpret Christianity, ie, they must save their
empire (current & former) from decadent
heathen western corruption....& Nazis.
We all know that Nazis are evil. They tried to
conquer their neighbors. They killed, destroyed,
tortured, enslaved, & did it all "Gott mit uns".
Hmmm....sounds much like Russia.
...and from greedy elites drooling over the Russian resources.