US prepares for threat of joint Chinese, Russian and North Korean nuclear strike

[Terrywoodenpic]

Yes, and hence my concern that a cabal of religious nutcases gets control of the weapons and tries to hasten the day of Jesus' return...

Unfortunately there is no shortage of American voters who would support them.
It always surprises me.when American business men publicly credit their prayers and Jesus with their successes.
It suggests to me that they are flying on luck, not ability.

 

[Spice]

His last term had me looking into it. Apparently it is entirely possible for the President to solely launch a nuke.
We then have to hope whoever's finger is actually on "the button" sees it as an illegal order and refuses.

And he is campaigning this time around for even more individual power for the president.

 

[Stevicus]

You give the US rulers too much credit. What has happend to the USA is though their own incompetence. And they do indeed fear that very trait in china leadership. They do not understand how "communist" can have such ability.

Maybe I give them too much credit, although my observations of them over the years would indicate that they give themselves too much credit. A lot of wanton arrogance, disingenuous sanctimony, brazen hypocrisy across the board. There's a sense of recklessness in the air, and for at least the past 40 years, I've consistently watched the voices of reason get drowned out by the howling screams of banshees. The pitfalls of the internet and social media have just made it worse.

I agree that they're incompetent, but the irony of it all is that so many people in our government have advanced degrees from prestigious, Ivy League universities. They all think that they're smart - much smarter than the Great Unwashed. And yet, they all got played for fools and suckers by the leaders of Communist China.

Even worse, they're still not getting any smarter. They're unable to learn from their mistakes.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Maybe I give them too much credit, although my observations of them over the years would indicate that they give themselves too much credit. A lot of wanton arrogance, disingenuous sanctimony, brazen hypocrisy across the board. There's a sense of recklessness in the air, and for at least the past 40 years, I've consistently watched the voices of reason get drowned out by the howling screams of banshees. The pitfalls of the internet and social media have just made it worse.

I agree that they're incompetent, but the irony of it all is that so many people in our government have advanced degrees from prestigious, Ivy League universities. They all think that they're smart - much smarter than the Great Unwashed. And yet, they all got played for fools and suckers by the leaders of Communist China.

Even worse, they're still not getting any smarter. They're unable to learn from their mistakes.

It is because they are can see no further than their own ingrained prejudices.

 

[lukethethird]

US prepares for threat of joint Chinese, Russian and North Korean nuclear strike - National Security News

The United States is making plans to counter the growing possibility of a joint Chinese, Russian and North Korean nuclear strike, according to a classified Pentagon document. In March, Joe Biden, the US president, secretly approved a significant change to America’s nuclear defence plan, The New...

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So, they're considering the possibility of a joint nuclear strike involving China, Russia, and North Korea. It is significant that China has doubled their nuclear weapons stock in the past three years.

The prospects of nuclear war have been with us since the Cold War - and now we seem to be in Cold War II - The Sequel.

I recall a lot of people were pretty worried about nuclear war, especially back in 1983 when the movie "The Day After" was a big television event which seemingly everyone watched and talked about in the days following. There were huge marches and protests in Europe and the U.S. against the proliferation of nuclear weapons. I've known some people who even had nightmares about nuclear war. A lot of people built bomb shelters, stocked up on food and supplies, preparing for the absolute worst. There are still a fair number of preppers out there, determined to survive such a catastrophe.

We also used to have "Fallout Shelter" signs everywhere, where people could go in the event of a nuclear war. Are those going to make a comeback? Should there be public bomb shelters built? (From what I've read, most of those places designated as "Fallout Shelters" back in the day were actually poorly built and would have offered little protection from radiation or a nuclear blast.)

Could we survive a nuclear war? Could we possibly win a nuclear war? I remember running into a few people back in the day who thought that a nuclear war was winnable.

Fearmongering, same old, same old.

 

[Wu Wei]

Frankly, unless provoked and left with no choice on a global scale, I seriously doubt China would get involved beyong lip service. It simply is not good for their economy. And they REALLY want to be the economic giants on the planet

 

[Heyo]

Frankly, unless provoked and left with no choice on a global scale, I seriously doubt China would get involved beyong lip service. It simply is not good for their economy. And they REALLY want to be the economic giants on the planet

War is never good for the economy - except for weapons dealers and manufacturers, but they happen non-the-less. And not all wars are instigated by the weapons dealers and manufacturers, some are simply the result of human stupidity.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

War is never good for the economy - except for weapons dealers and manufacturers, but they happen non-the-less. And not all wars are instigated by the weapons dealers and manufacturers, some are simply the result of human stupidity.

War was extremely good for the American economy especially ww2. It revived the economy after the great depression and made it rich again.
It's war industry has never looked back even today.

 

[Heyo]

War was extremely good for the American economy especially ww2. It revived the economy after the great depression and made it rich again.
It's war industry has never looked back even today.

I give you WWII - with reservations, but what about the Korean War, the Vietnam War, Afghanistan and the Gulf Wars?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I give you WWII - with reservations, but what about the Korean War, the Vietnam War, Afghanistan and the Gulf Wars?

In each of these the arms industries made massive profits. However this bonus did not spread to the general population like after ww2.
Ww2. Was a specially case for America as it was late into the war. And had already made vast profits through arms sales to the UK. during the first two years at no cost to itself, some through lend lease which we were still paying off long after the war ended.
American industries and people benefited from a bonanza in jobs and life style for several decades following. However they were benefiting largely on a false premise. As the money they were spending should have been going towards paying off the national debt, which had been steadily growing.

This disregard for the national debt continues through to today, to the extent that is now unredeemable. And is the main cause of most of the US financial black hole.

 

[Wandering Monk]

I'm sure some humans will survive. Or at the very least, life may continue on Earth on some level.

I don't know how long the radiation would last. Although I've heard some say that it wouldn't be as bad as thought and that there would be "nuclear winter." But I have no idea what would happen. It would probably accelerate the process of global warming. The polar ice caps could melt entirely.

Hiroshima today:

 

[Wandering Monk]

You've missed the part about the bomb being discharged in the atmosphere over the US. It only wipes out electrical components which puts the country in dire straits. Imagine the US in today's world with no more amenities than in 1800, and yet none of the necessities of life from 1800.

I am sure that the US would put the attackers back into the 1800s as well. Ballistic missile submarines are notoriously hard to find. 'We hide with pride' is the motto.

 

[Wandering Monk]

this thing seems to have something to do with a possible circumstance where we are the first to be hit, if you read the second paragraph: Boeing E-6 Mercury - Wikipedia

If it's EMP resistant, and I guess even if all the ground options were gone, it might still control the subs. If it can still transmit orders, I don't know. But I don't know if the subs have the more accurate nukes in them, maybe, maybe not. But if they don't got the accurate the nukes, that means they'd just retaliate by hitting broad regions

I had a friend in the US Air Force. He was part of a team that did EMP testing on aircraft. so yeah, EMP is being accounted for in military aircraft including Air Force One.

 

[Wandering Monk]

The only reason that THE USA considers China an enemy is because it has proved to be more successful. In business and manufacturing.
It has shown no corresponding hate towards America. It is infinitely more interested in trade and scientific cooperation than war.

Americas current trade war with China has all the aspects of cutting of their own nose to spite their face. It is proving far more damaging to the USA , than curtailing China's advancement. Even Huawei, a major target of their efforts, has become both far more profitable, but has also massively strengthened its native supply chain and scientific advancements.

the Chinese infrastructure, supply chains and production of rare earth elements are world leading and close to a total monopoly in many instances.
The American trade war is an expression of jealousy,, envy and fear. It realises that it is no longer the world industrial and trade leader. And believes only military might can reverse it's own collapse. It has only to look at it's increasing trade imbalance and impossible national debt to realise how stupid war would be.

China also has a severe weakness: it imports nearly 70% of its oil, mostly from the Middle East. If a war starts, she will lose all that as the tankers are easily interdicted IF they would even sail, because insurance would skyrocket for those tankers going into a war zone.

It's navy, though relatively large, are mostly composed of smaller vessels with ranges under 1000 miles.

Lastly, Xi is decoupled from reality because he removes anyone who doesn't tell him what he wants to hear. Any military decisions he makes will be based on false information.

 

[metis]

Hiroshima today:
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But Nuclear winter - Wikipedia

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

China also has a severe weakness: it imports nearly 70% of its oil, mostly from the Middle East. If a war starts, she will lose all that as the tankers are easily interdicted IF they would even sail, because insurance would skyrocket for those tankers going into a war zone.

It's navy, though relatively large, are mostly composed of smaller vessels with ranges under 1000 miles.

Lastly, Xi is decoupled from reality because he removes anyone who doesn't tell him what he wants to hear. Any military decisions he makes will be based on false information.

It is now obtaining gas and oil from the vast Russian fields.
Even a private motor boat has a range of 1000 miles.
China is vast it does not rely on one man to run it.
However he has been far more effective in advancing the country than any American leader