Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
And yet that hasn't been shown to deter others from doing it.
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USA Death Penalty
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Shadow Wolf
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It still happens, and even just one is far too many. You can't give years of life back, but the state could at least give lavish amounts of money to those wrongly imprisoned and sentenced to make the rest of their life easier and more comfortable. Someone wrongly put to death, there's nothing that can be done except "oops."
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Which is sad. It fixes nothing, it restores nothing, it prevents nothing. It's violently wasting life when life has already been violently wasted.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Venezuala abolished it in 1863, Michigan the first state in 1840, also when a failed attempt to abolish it England happened, where it was a topic since at least the mid 18th century. Some pagan and aboriginal cultures have also lacked it and viewed it as taboo. And, of course, Jesus stood against it with "let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
I did not look up numbers of ratios or data. As the comparisons are not similar since the USA has gun rights and a free country.
A completely different country than most. But i was clear about my point of view. Killing a murderer reduces another death by the same perpetrator. It's basic common sense.
Secret Chief
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So it PREVENTS the murderer commiting another murder. It is not a proven DETERRENT.
Locking up a murderer securely for life prevents them from killing again.
Killing them doesn't prevent any additional murders.
Secret Chief
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Are there no other "free" countries for comparison (although likely to be ones that have less than 120 guns per 100 citizens) ?
- Estimated number of civilian guns per capita by country - Wikipedia
According to the Cato Institute and the Fraser Institute, the US ranks 17th (tied with the UK) based on their freedom index.
Human Freedom Index 2023
... which is an increase in 4 places from 2022. Good job Biden, I guess.
Secret Chief
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You're not truly free unless you can shoot each other.According to the Cato Institute and the Fraser Institute, the US ranks 17th (tied with the UK) based on their freedom index.
Human Freedom Index 2023
www.fraserinstitute.org
... which is an increase in 4 places from 2022. Good job Biden, I guess.
You're not truly free unless you can shoot each other.
Yeah... I have a story that relates to this idea that I've shared before:
Why arming everyone with guns is not a good Idea.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/former-saints-de-will-smith-dead-after-he-and-wife-shot-in-road-rage-attack/ar-BBrzPv7?li=BBnbfcL A lot more of this. Line waiting rage, shopping rage and etc. people have no problem beating each other for little things. Let them have guns and they will end...
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
You didn't answer my question, plus it's obvious that you are so willing to blow Jesus' teaching off. I quoted what Jesus said, and now you have tried to find excuses to ignore it, thus one has to question whether your screen name is even remotely accurate.
It's easy to believe things about Jesus, but it is much more difficult to believe in Jesus and come in the "narrow gate" as he said. There simply is no moral reason to execute someone if there are alternatives.
Hard for me not to remember Darryl George, 18, who has not been in his regular classroom in Barbers Hill High School in Mont Belvieu, Texas, since Aug. 31. Instead, he has either been serving in-school suspension or spending time in an off-site disciplinary program. His Houston-area school district, Barbers Hill, has said George’s long hair, which he wears in neatly tied and twisted locs on top of his head, violates a district dress code that limits hair length for boys.According to the Cato Institute and the Fraser Institute, the US ranks 17th (tied with the UK) based on their freedom index.
Human Freedom Index 2023
... which is an increase in 4 places from 2022. Good job Biden, I guess.
Even though your hair insists on keeping on growing (even in Texas), you are not free to allow it to in that school district.
In this respect, Americans (and just now, especially Texans) make me laugh -- my sad laugh, but still. This boy would be okay armed to the teeth, but those lengthy tresses, no matter how tied back, represent a serious threat to the well-being of everybody!
Freedom --- HAH!
Secret Chief
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That can't be right, Jesus had long hair.Hard for me not to remember Darryl George, 18, who has not been in his regular classroom in Barbers Hill High School in Mont Belvieu, Texas, since Aug. 31. Instead, he has either been serving in-school suspension or spending time in an off-site disciplinary program. His Houston-area school district, Barbers Hill, has said George’s long hair, which he wears in neatly tied and twisted locs on top of his head, violates a district dress code that limits hair length for boys.
Even though your hair insists on keeping on growing (even in Texas), you are not free to allow it to in that school district.
In this respect, Americans (and just now, especially Texans) make me laugh -- my sad laugh, but still. This boy would be okay armed to the teeth, but those lengthy tresses, no matter how tied back, represent a serious threat to the well-being of everybody!
Freedom --- HAH!
The history teacher at my school has a man bun. Communist.
The legal system should serve to relinquish the human desire for revenge, not use that desire to indulge.
Secret Chief
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"The UN, EU and anti-death penalty activists have condemned the first execution of a prisoner using nitrogen gas.
A journalist who witnessed the execution told the BBC that Smith thrashed violently on the gurney.
The execution process began at 19:53 local time and Smith was pronounced dead about half of an hour later at 20:25.
The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Volker Turk, said he had "serious concerns this novel and untested method of suffocation by nitrogen gas may amount to torture, or cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment".
In a statement, EU officials called nitrogen gas "a particularly cruel and unusual punishment".
"I've been to four previous executions and I've never seen a condemned inmate thrash in the way that Kenneth Smith reacted to the nitrogen gas,", Alabama journalist Lee Hedgepeth told the BBC's Newsday programme.
"Kenny just began to gasp for air repeatedly and the execution took about 25 minutes total."
(Alabama officials had said in an earlier court filing they expected Smith to lose consciousness within seconds and die in a matter of minutes.) "
- Kenneth Eugene Smith: UN condemns Alabama nitrogen gas execution
A journalist who witnessed the execution told the BBC that Smith thrashed violently on the gurney.
The execution process began at 19:53 local time and Smith was pronounced dead about half of an hour later at 20:25.
The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Volker Turk, said he had "serious concerns this novel and untested method of suffocation by nitrogen gas may amount to torture, or cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment".
In a statement, EU officials called nitrogen gas "a particularly cruel and unusual punishment".
"I've been to four previous executions and I've never seen a condemned inmate thrash in the way that Kenneth Smith reacted to the nitrogen gas,", Alabama journalist Lee Hedgepeth told the BBC's Newsday programme.
"Kenny just began to gasp for air repeatedly and the execution took about 25 minutes total."
(Alabama officials had said in an earlier court filing they expected Smith to lose consciousness within seconds and die in a matter of minutes.) "
- Kenneth Eugene Smith: UN condemns Alabama nitrogen gas execution
Secret Chief
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"The White House declared the execution “very troubling”, with press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre saying on Friday afternoon that Joe Biden has “deep concerns about the death penalty and whether it’s consistent with our values”. "
- Alabama inmate executed with nitrogen gas was ‘shaking violently’ for 22 minutes, witnesses say
- Alabama inmate executed with nitrogen gas was ‘shaking violently’ for 22 minutes, witnesses say
"Serious concerns" my foot. I have serious concerns Volker Turk is a closed-minded ideologue. Did "Kenny" really thrash? I don't accept this "journalist" Lee Hedgepeth's story at face value. I think he is biased and, I'll be generous and say, "misreporting". How come this ersatz journalist calls him "Kenny", were the close friends? Did Elizabeth Sennett, Kenneth Smith's victim, "thrash" while he repeatedly stabbed her death?
Secret Chief
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Fair enough, I've never heard of him - what do you know? - but I have heard of the UN. And the EU. And the White House. It seems consistently reported it took about 20+ minutes to kill him, rather than the seconds claimed beforehand.
I know that he is a politician by virtue of his position. That is sufficient to raise such concerns.