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USA Death Penalty

Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
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Secret Chief said:
I brought it up because your attitude seems at odds to your espoused religion.
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And it's not. Opposition to the death penalty is a modern thing, usually from progressives (which I am most certainly not). Regardless of religion, I'll always support the death penalty because I accept there's evil people who cannot be rehabilitated.
 
Shaul

Shaul

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metis said:
Not according to the stats. The other issue is that the FBI has estimated that roughly 10% of prisoners found guilt may in fact be innocent. Here in Michigan, we were the first state to outlaw the death penalty since we hung the wrong person.
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You are arguing to whether there are innocent people executed. That wasn't what my comment was about. I wrote that it is debatable whether the having a death penalty minimizes the total number of innocent lives. You are only considering one side of the equation. It is arguable that having a death penalty could save some innocent lives too. This would include innocent lives saved because a murder was prevented from killing more innocent lives (having been executed) and innocent lives saved due the deterrent effect of there being a death penalty. Note that these reasons are debatable. So their validity is for the body politic to decide, not individuals.
 
Shaul

Shaul

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Secret Chief said:
That's so broad and generalised I'm not sure your claim is sustainable. And probably a meaningless claim too - in the 1700s in the UK you could be executed for cutting down a tree. Not exactly comparing apples with apples.
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I'm confused. How can you compare apples and oranges if the tree was cut down?
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

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Secret Chief said:
That's so broad and generalised I'm not sure your claim is sustainable. And probably a meaningless claim too - in the 1700s in the UK you could be executed for cutting down a tree or robbing a rabbit warren. Not exactly comparing apples with apples.
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I'm not aware of organized movements to outlaw the death penalty before the last few hundred years.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
metis said:
I never said it was. Also, there is no evidence of a deterrent effect proven with the death penalty beyond the person who was executed.
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That alone should be sufficient to demonstrate its uselessness and that it's to satisfy the bloodlust and desire for revenge on others.
 
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Bthoth

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Shadow Wolf said:
It doesn't reduce the overall rate of murders. The question os does the death penalty work to deter murder and it does not.
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Nice make up:

Shadow Wolf said:
Wjat do you mean by works? Its certainly not in reference to it being a deterrent.
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and my reply was: "funny, far less murder because of it."

That's how it was worded.

let me be clear "The murderer can no longer commit another murder"

You're asking for a deterrent. How about castration?
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
metis said:
Can you point to any verse in the NT whereas Jesus says capital punishment is morally acceptable?

Also, with your last sentence, it seems quite clear that you are more than willing to put money ahead of the Gospel. However, you have lots of company with so many others in the "religious right" who are so willing to walk away from the Gospel and yet claim to believe in it. :shrug:
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Can you point to any verse in the NT where Jesus says rape is not morally acceptable?

Jesus said… “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea.” Mark 9:42

It’s not about putting money before the gospel at all. It’s about dealing with criminal behavior justly. Someone who sexually abuses children is never, ever safe to be around a child again. There really is no reason such a person should be financially supported in prison for life. As far as the gospel; that can be clearly shared and they would be free to accept or reject before execution.
 
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McBell

McBell

Unbound
InChrist said:
I think DNA test has made a big difference now in preventing innocent people from being falsely penalized for a crime.
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DNA has made a huge difference.
But...
It still has a ways to go:

McBell said:

Ohio Plans to Execute a Man It Knows Is Innocent—Why?​


Although no one doubted the accuracy of the DNA results, the supreme court decided that Apanovitch could not use them to prove his innocence. It cited a state law that said DNA could only be used in cases where the defendant requested the testing. The fact that Apanovitch could not have requested testing of evidence that the state had hidden from him didn’t matter.​
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