USA Death Penalty

[9-10ths_Penguin]

There seems to be a lot of nonsense here. Nitrogen is not a toxic gas. 78% of the air we breathe is nitrogen. If you breathe 100%. Nitrogen you rapidly pass out from lack of oxygen. You do not feel breathless or suffocated, as it is rising CO2 content of your blood that triggers that sensation. If you breathe nitrogen your CO2 level stays normal.

I‘m aware of this because a shift supervisor I knew at a refinery where I worked was found dead with his head in the inspection hatch of a column that was being purged with nitrogen. He would have felt nothing and just passed out. Terrible accident.

Like most civilised people I am strongly opposed to the death penalty, but it does nobody any favours when silly scare stories about gas leaking from the mask etc. are put about by journalists.

I'm sorry about your coworker.

That incident illustrates what could happen, though: a hose/mask setup, delivering enough nitrogen to suffocate the condemned, could potentially leak, causing the nitrogen to displace enough of the air in the room to cause a dangerously low oxygen concentration.

 

[Bthoth]

I'm sorry about your coworker.

That incident illustrates what could happen, though: a hose/mask setup, delivering enough nitrogen to suffocate the condemned, could potentially leak, causing the nitrogen to displace enough of the air in the room to cause a dangerously low oxygen concentration.

Exactly! The lack of oxygen is what kills, not the nitrogen.

 

[Shaul]

The US also implements the death penalty poorly.

The U.S. has a population of 331,900,000 and last year executed only 22 people. IOW it is only used with extreme rarity. That implies precision and being rigorously applied. Not poorly.

 

[Bthoth]

The U.S. has a population of 331,900,000 and last year executed only 22 people. IOW it is only used with extreme rarity. That implies precision and being rigorously applied. Not poorly.

Solid rational.

More die in car accidents on any give day, than that.

 

[Shaul]

A case could be made for it.

No, it couldn't.

The incarceration rate in the US is more than four times higher than in comparable western nations.

So?

The detection rates are similar.

This fact isn't in evidence.

I can think of multiple explanations, more innocent people being incarcerated than guilty is one.

Again, so what? Whatever the true reason(s) are you are assuming those reasons are unreasonable.

US citizens being about four times more criminal than people of other nations is another one.

Among the many possible reasons this one is most unlikely to be untrue.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The U.S. has a population of 331,900,000 and last year executed only 22 people.

24, actually.

IOW it is only used with extreme rarity. That implies precision and being rigorously applied. Not poorly.

Out of those 24:

• 3 accused were denied access to potential exonorating evidence.
• 1 sentence relied on pseudoscience.
• 9 accused had severe mental illness or brain injuries (which, in some of the cases, was never shared with the juries).
• In 2 cases, mitigating evidence was not presented at trial, which some jury members stated would have changed their minds for verdict or sentence.
• In 2 cases, racist statements (in one case, by the lead juror; in another case, by the accused's own defense team) at trial call the verdict and sentence into question.
• 2 cases involved falsified evidence.

The Death Penalty in 2023: Year End Report

Only Five States Conducted Executions and Seven States Imposed New Death Sentences in 2023, the Lowest Number of States in 20 Years. Florida’s Six…

deathpenaltyinfo.org

Yep - precision and rigor all over.

 

[McBell]

The US also implements the death penalty poorly.

It is so much worse than that.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

ust because you are against justice

No, that's just poor reading comprehension on your part.

you speak for ANYONE but your own self

I'm not the one who did that. That was you when you said if I lost a family member I'd be for the death penalty.

I grew up in Southern California. Iv'e seen what criminals can and often do to a person.

So? You don't know what I've seen.
I'm strongly against the penalty.
Try replying with suitable and appropriate reply next time.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Like most civilised people I am strongly opposed to the death penalty, but it does nobody any favours when silly scare stories about gas leaking from the mask etc. are put about by journalists.

You have more faith in their ability than I do. They already don't use people who have no medical training, what reassurances have the provided this method won't be a risk to others? How do they know they amount will kill rather than cause severe injury? American executions don't have a good record for caring or caring that things are prone to going brutally amd torturously wrong.
Amd then there's rhe reality they say the lethal injection is painless and the person asleep but that's not the case at all. They are sedated and paralyzed as they feel like liquid fire is being being poured in the vein and do suffer through heart failure. Would this new method actually be painless? I doubt it. Seems more to be a lie we tell ourselves to feel better about what happened.

 

[Bthoth]

No, that's just poor reading comprehension on your part.

The system works. The abuse of, that debatable.

I'm not the one who did that. That was you when you said if I lost a family member I'd be for the death penalty.

Ok, you have the item. You could be better than I on the matter of disregard.

So? You don't know what I've seen.
I'm strongly against the penalty.
Try replying with suitable and appropriate reply next time.

OK,
Some I am different, I live under the ideals of justice. Here in the civilized world, if you break certain rules, justice is coming. Not even a god can stop justice.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

1 sentence relied on pseudoscience

American courts are harrowingly reliant on that garbage.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Not even a god can stop justice.

Is that why tax laws are what bring down a lot of gangsters who prove otherwise untouchabke in court?

 

[Bthoth]

American courts are harrowingly reliant on that garbage.

It's good and can be used for bad.

 

[Bthoth]

Is that why tax laws are what bring down a lot of gangsters who prove otherwise untouchabke in court?

RICO act.
They tried to use it but it did not stop the legal system

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The system works

Wjat do you mean by works? Its certainly not in reference to it being a deterrent.

 

[Shaul]

24, actually.



Out of those 24:

• 3 accused were denied access to potential exonorating evidence.
• 1 sentence relied on pseudoscience.
• 9 accused had severe mental illness or brain injuries (which, in some of the cases, was never shared with the juries.
• In 2 cases, mitigating evidence was not presented at trial, which some jury members stated would have changed their minds for verdict or sentence.
• In 2 cases, racist statements (in one case, by the lead juror; in another case, by the accused's own defense team) at trial call the verdict and sentence into question.
• 2 cases involved falsified evidence.

The Death Penalty in 2023: Year End Report

Only Five States Conducted Executions and Seven States Imposed New Death Sentences in 2023, the Lowest Number of States in 20 Years. Florida’s Six…

deathpenaltyinfo.org

Yep - precision and rigor all over.

Better tell @Secret Chief then. His chart in his earlier post says 22. Also the official figures come from the Bureau of Justice which last reported for the year 2022 as 18.
Prisoners Executed
So, yes, please let's be accurate by relying on official reporting and not some biased website.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

RICO act.
They tried to use it but it did not stop the legal system

Yeah, it did stop the system when it came to their worst crimes.

 

[Bthoth]

Wjat do you mean by works? Its certainly not in reference to it being a deterrent.

funny, far less murder because of it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

funny, far less murder because of it.

That's not actually been found to be the case when it's studied and the numbers crunched.

 

[Heyo]

No, it couldn't.

I just showed how.

Among the many possible reasons this one is most unlikely to be untrue.

I agree (with what you wrote). Though I suspect that you don't understand the double negative you used.