Bullets can miss vital organs. Why not the guillotine? And why not show it at halftime of the Super Bowl? I mean, it’s Justice right? Something we should be proud of.
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USA Death Penalty
- Thread starter Secret Chief
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I know of only one case in recorded history
of a man surviving a firing squad. (Mexican
executioners aren't the best.)
Even the guillotine can fail.
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They were leading a priest, a drunkard and an engineer to the guillotine. They
asked the priest if he wanted to face up or down when he met his fate. The
priest said that he would like to face up so he would be looking towards heaven
when he died. They raised the blade of the guillotine, released it, it came
speeding down and suddenly stopped just inches from his neck. The authorities
took this as divine intervention and released the priest.
Next the drunkard came to the guillotine. He also decided to die face up hoping
that he would be as fortunate as the priest. They raised the blade of the
guillotine, released it, it came speeding down and suddenly stopped just inches
from his neck. So they released the drunkard as well.
The engineer was next. He too decided to die facing up. They slowly raised the
blade of the guillotine, when suddenly the engineer said, "Hey, I see what your
problem is."
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
You may want to look into how police interrogations go. It is shameful, frightening, terrifying and beyond embarrassing what cops legally can do during them, and things they do, like encouraging people to confess even if they didn't do the crime just to make things easier (for the pigs, but the say it's for the terrified victim's benefit).
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
That's not justice, that's making sport of killing people.
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PureX
Veteran Member
I don't think we should be executing those people. I don't think they pose an ongoing threat. I'm talking about people who deliberately try to kill as many human beings as possible (mass murderers, terrorists, etc.) and people that kill habitually, like serial killers. I would also include people that torture and kill, as that is thrill killing. And people who kill even while in prison.
PureX
Veteran Member
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You've not demonstrated any
advantage to the death penalty.
But the disadvantages are legion
& evidenced.
PureX
Veteran Member
It is that the killier cannot get loose and kill again, or kill agains while in custody. This requires no "demonstration". And it is an undeniable fact.
Disadvantages are irrelevant as there is no advantage to be gained from criminality, or from our response to it.
Yeah, I used to think that was a solid argument - when I was 15. Then I grew up and recognized that it ignores the reality of innocent people being killed. Can you tell me how many innocent people you’re cool with killing per guilty? Like a ratio or something?
Altfish
Veteran Member
The corruption of the police and the ability of prosecution lawyers mean that miscarriages of justice will always happen.
In the UK there have been numerous people found guilty of murder who were later cleared. The case of Derek Bentley who was hanged in the 50's was the start of the abolition of capital punishment.
IRA 'murderers' were cleared, The Birmingham 6, the Guilford 4 all found guilty of murder, all later cleared.
Has that ever been a problem?
Disadvantages are primarily imposed
upon the innocent people wrongly
convicted, & face the death penalty.
Secret Chief
Very strong language
PureX
Veteran Member
Well, if innocent people are being convicted, then we need to fix our judicial system, not house perpetually dangerous murderers indefinately because we can't be sure they are even murderers at all. The problem here is that these are two different issues requiring two different solutions. Maybe when you get a bit older you will be able to see this more clearly.
McBell
Unbound
That is right fine goal to strive for.Well, if innocent people are being convicted, then we need to fix our judicial system, not house perpetually dangerous murderers indefinately because we can't be sure they are even murderers at all. The problem here is that these are two different issues requiring two different solutions. Maybe when you get a bit older you will be able to see this more clearly.
However, it completely ignores the reality of the now.
So if you can tear yourself away from the perfect future long enough, what is an acceptable to you number of innocents killed?
PureX
Veteran Member
That is a separate problem requiring a separate solution. The logical solution for people with ongoing murderous intent is to eliminate them, and thereby eliminate the ongoing threat they pose to everyone else.
Again, this is not the issue at hand. If our judicial system is failing us, then we need to fix it. But that is a subject for another thread. This thread is about the execution of people convicted of murder. And my opinion is that we should only execute those that have shown themselves to pose an ongoing threat to the lives of others. That would be people that commit mass murder, serial murder, terroristic murder, and thrill killers that abduct and torture people. Most murderers are not of this type, and should not be executed, in my opinion, because they do not pose an ongoing threat to the lives of others, and they could even be a benefit to others while incarcerated. They also could be reformed to the point of being let back among society again.
PureX
Veteran Member
Since we have no idea, according to you, who is innocent and who is not, there can be no possible answer to your foolish question.
McBell
Unbound
I do not know why you are so scared to answer the question.
It has already been shown that there has been more than one person executed by the death penalty who turned out to be innocent of the crime that got them executed.
So your "we have no idea, according to you, who is innocent and who is not," is a complete cop out from answering the question.
How many innocent deaths is acceptable?
One?
Five?
Ten?
100?
If you are going to flat out refuse to answer, just say so.
No need to make up bull feces excuses.
That's how I view the death penalty overall outside of rare instances