Humanistheart
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I would think they're the same thing.
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USA - The Good Samaritan
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I would think they're the same thing.
Well, look at the government coffers as a big pot: revenue comes in, debt dollars come in, debt financing comes out, program spending comes out. No particular dollar coming is linked to any particular dollar coming out.
Any division of programs into the ones you have "cash on hand for" and the ones you don't is arbitrary. They're all funded by an unsorted mish-mash of debt and actual revenue. How do you decide which ones to pay for and which ones to cut?
Personally, I'd say that the way to do it is based on merit and need. Funding disaster relief in Haiti is an excellent example of both.
Humanistheart
Well-Known Member
and good luck with that one....lol
Oh, not wanting our money shipped off to a country I'm not even aware of gets a face palm from you does it? I soppose you couldn't be bothered with an informative or intellegent responce.
enchanted_one1975
Resident Lycanthrope
You said I don't understand economics. I never said that.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
This reminds me of a story I've heard Donald Trump tell more than once. At one point, his net worth was less than negative 1 billion dollars. Walking down the street with his daughter he pointed to a homeless guy on the street and said, "that guy is worth a billion dollars more than I am."
Despite this little anecdote being technically true, the homeless guy was still spending the night sleeping on a street grate, while the far more destitute Mr. Trump suffered in his multi-million dollar luxury penthouse. Who's more rich?
enchanted_one1975
Resident Lycanthrope
If only the US Government had the financial smarts that Mr Trump has.
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
Sure here's a response....
the government lies..is corrupt
and self interested....
example: Dick Cheney became a millionaire on the back of the War....
and there are NUMEROUS other examples...
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The point being... to simply wish this to not happen is nice..but we live in the real world.... and its been a "problem" for DECADES...
why not inform yourself....
I fully agree, it is wrong....
but like I said
"Good luck with that one"
Humanistheart
Well-Known Member
A very informative story on the nature of the modern economy. Still, as this story points out, homelessness is an issue in this country. Why does an earthquake in another country trump the destitute of our own populace?
Humanistheart
Well-Known Member
And if you'd like to go back and find a quote from me on this thread that implied I considered it likely to happen that we change, be my guess. Otherwise your responces to me have been filled with assumptions and false premises. I said i perhaps we should change this, something you seem to agree with, so why the argument and sarcastic responce?
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
I can only assume that you failed to see what my post was in response to.
Does your lack of geographic knowledge somehow make the suffering of people in Haiti not worth doing anything about?
Humanistheart
Well-Known Member
I was not refering to haiti, my responce was to another poster who mentioned we have numerious other countries we reutinely fund, but who did not specify what countries or why.
Humanistheart
Well-Known Member
I assume it was in responce to enchanted's claim of debt vs income, which in hindsight, does make my responce to yours somewhat irrelevant. My apologies.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
Last year they had 6% less than the $50bil that they are asking for this year.
The money is there - international relief is a part of our national budget.
This is the same organization that Obama refers to when he says that he's sending aid to Haiti.
enchanted_one1975
Resident Lycanthrope
Good...then lets burn that cash to offset some of the debt that we incurred by printing money to give to the auto industry and banks.
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angellous_evangellous
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Aquitaine
Well-Known Member
It would also help if the FR stopped loaning the Government money at interest. The same here in the UK, with the BoE.
From the get-go, the Government is in-debt.
How can we give aid and help other countries if we can't even rid ourselves of debt first?
ericoh2
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This doesn't directly relate to the OP but I think it's a very good video to show how the economy really works and why we can't get out of debt. I will warn you that it's pretty long but well worth watching.
The Money Masters - How International Bankers Gained Control of America
The Money Masters - How International Bankers Gained Control of America
Aquitaine
Well-Known Member
Please do not mistake my stance on this as some sort of negative attitude towards the Haitians, I believe hypothetically that if a nation could offer aid, it should.
My only concern is that this won't be much of a help. The US Dollar (Federal Reserve Note) is completely Fiat, and the United States' External Debt alone is 13 Trillion.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2079rank.html
http://www.treas.gov/tic/external-debt.shtml - Click "A" on the top report of the list (09/30/2009).
I believe the developed World should be offering plenty of help to those in need, I just doubt it's gonna do any help in this case atleast - the US is literally just throwing paper at the Haitians, and the mroe money the US prints, the weaker the currency gets.
My only concern is that this won't be much of a help. The US Dollar (Federal Reserve Note) is completely Fiat, and the United States' External Debt alone is 13 Trillion.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2079rank.html
http://www.treas.gov/tic/external-debt.shtml - Click "A" on the top report of the list (09/30/2009).
I believe the developed World should be offering plenty of help to those in need, I just doubt it's gonna do any help in this case atleast - the US is literally just throwing paper at the Haitians, and the mroe money the US prints, the weaker the currency gets.
Indirectly. To begin with, the US is throwing 2000 Marines in landing craft, a hospital ship, 3500 Army soldiers, and various other things like transport aircraft, ships, food and medical supplies at the Haitians.
The paper is getting thrown at the troops in the form of their salary and at the suppliers of the equipment and expendables that are being used, which they accept as payment for some reason.