Utah becomes first state in 2023 to ban gender-affirming care for transgender minors

[We Never Know]

Or you could quit making assumptions. Seems a good place to start than insisting there is some to "admit."
And, by the way, I'm not going to be a circus bear riding a bike for you.

I never asked you anything accept to be honest. If you cant do that then you must be ashamed.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Leave me out of it. Is that ok to ask?

I didn't involve you. You involved yourself. I didn't label you, I didn't bring you into this. Don't label you for being male? Do you want me to call you they? It? Something else?

I don't want you to roll over.

Then quit telling to me admit things and telling me what has to be there.

I can and will try understand your confusion/situation..

You've shown nothing but a reluctance to learn.
And if anyone is confused it is you, like how after multiple explanations with various scenarios and points and things with similarities you still don't get what cis means and what it is.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I never asked you anything accept to be honest. If you cant do that then you must be ashamed.

I have been. Have you? (think hard about all the times you misrepresented me before answering)

 

[We Never Know]

I didn't involve you. You involved yourself. I didn't label you, I didn't bring you into this. Don't label you for being male? Do you want me to call you they? It? Something else?

Then quit telling to me admit things and telling me what has to be there.

You've shown nothing but a reluctance to learn.
And if anyone is confused it is you, like how after multiple explanations with various scenarios and points and things with similarities you still don't get what cis means and what it is.

I am a male period. No label needed. I have said that several times.

For the rest, I have tried to be nice and show you some respect, if it failed then nothing more needs to be said.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I am a male period. No label needed. I have said that several times.

Male is a label.

For the rest, I have tried to be nice and show you some respect,

You don't get to rightly claim that the way you misrepresented me, demanded I admit things, refusing to learn as things are explained, repeatedly taking offense where there is none to take and failing to take accountability for your own actions but rather insisting I dragged you into this.

if it failed then nothing more needs to be said.

It failed because if you put honest and serious effort into that it doesn't show.

 

[We Never Know]

I have been. Have you? (think hard about all the times you misrepresented me before answering)

Let me brutal honest. I am a male. Born that way, stayed that way. I have kids and grandkids.

I know others here are transmale and transfemale, gender binary, etc.
I know others see psychiatrist and/or therapists to try live a normal life.
I know others take medications for for several things to try to live a normal life.
Etc etc.

I don't do any of that. I also don't believe in a god or claim a god doesn'tt exist.

I think everyone should live their life to be happy by any means they can. But don't label me, try to make me believe or disbelieve as you do, or think I should see or respect you or your point if you can give me the same. I try to understand but Its all a two way street.

It seems like everyone here either holds a phd or sees a psychiatrist.


Thats it in short.

@danieldemol. Can verify some of this I am saying/confused about from a message from a few weeks ago.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But don't label me,

I didn't. You're just refusing to accept calling you a cismale says and means:

I am a male. Born that way, stayed that way.

It's no more a "label" to get worked up over than pediatric or geriatric.

try to make me believe or disbelieve as you do,

We've mostly been discussing the meaning of a Latin prefix. That doesn't deal with belief.
We've been mostly discussing medical procedures. I believe those decisions should be between a provider and patient and will argue against any other positions.

think I should see or respect you or your point if you can give me the same. I try to understand but Its all a two way street.

Misrepresenting people is not how you start on the path to respect. Don't try to act like you're innocent on this when you've misrepresenting others, erecting strawmen, making demands, repeatedly taking offense over nothing and refusing to learn.

It seems like everyone here either holds a phd or sees a psychiatrist.

No, it just seems like you have some catch up to do on the subject compared to the other participants.

 

[Sedim Haba]

"Utah becomes first state in 2023 to ban gender-affirming care for transgender minors"

Title is misleading. Surgery is not 'care'. I'm all for care, even drug/hormone treatments.
I don't condone tattoos, plastic surgery, or really anything permanent for those under 18.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

"Utah becomes first state in 2023 to ban gender-affirming care for transgender minors"

Title is misleading. Surgery is not 'care'. I'm all for care, even drug/hormone treatments.
I don't condone tattoos, plastic surgery, or really anything permanent for those under 18.

Surgery is a form of care, and fortunately I was able to get surgery as a kid, such as permanently having my very enlarged tonsils removed.

 

[SkepticThinker]

As I said its not up to medical Dr's that can perform the procedure. It should be many years of therapy with the right Dr's.

Oh and I could list the post. But search for it lol

There is already a process in place, put together by medical and mental health professionals. It seems you know nothing about this.

How about, it's none of anyone's business but the people involved. ESPECIALLY not ignorant politicians looking to score bogus political points.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Good for them. Keep hands off the minors.

Wait a minute now, isn't this evidence of the Nanny State you're always going on about???

 

[SkepticThinker]

Im not rude either. But don't swing a pecker and have balls and try to tell me you are a female.

Why is it any of your business or concern what genitals a person has???

 

[Shadow Wolf]

How about, it's none of anyone's business but the people involved. ESPECIALLY not ignorant politicians looking to score bogus political points.

This is what America's tradition of anti-intellecualism, anti-authority, anti-science and science denial has gotten us. Laymen thinking they know better than the researchers, scientists and healthcare providers who actually work with a certain population. Nothing that isn't immediately applicable and highly practical isn't worth learning or knowing. Reading for pleasure is the worst use of a book. Education ruins people. You can learn too much. Being too smart makes you mad. It's just a theory. It doesn't make sense.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Wait a minute now, isn't this evidence of the Nanny State you're always going on about???

For adults.

What happened with protecting childern?

 

[SkepticThinker]

So..... That may, may happen in approximately 1 in 80,000 people. Thats 0.001% of the population.

And?

 

[SkepticThinker]

That's where you are wrong. You don't need my approval..... Or my support. But you want both.

How about just some basic respect?

 

[SkepticThinker]

I'm a born male and live my life that way. You are a trans and took that label. You drug me into that by trying labeling me and every other male "cis".
We didnt want to be in this BS. You drug us In by giving us a label but somehow its our fault. You should have just left us out of it.

You label yourself "man." I couldn't care less what genitals you have.
Good for you. Do you want a cookie or something?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Really??? Physicians is where cis male came from?
When my grandson was born I don't recall the Dr saying congrats its a cis male.

We didn't use to have a label for autism either. What's your point?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

For adults.

What happened with protecting childern?

Protecting children isn't "my uneducated, laymen self knows better than researchers and care providers who deal with this!"
You sound like a Christian high on smug self assurance that scientists are being decieved and just don't know the truth the Earth is 6,000 years old and everything alive was created as-is 6,000 years ago.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I am a male period. No label needed. I have said that several times.

For the rest, I have tried to be nice and show you some respect, if it failed then nothing more needs to be said.

That was supposed to be respectful?