Utah becomes first state in 2023 to ban gender-affirming care for transgender minors

[Shadow Wolf]

Someone has to tell you that you are doing sex wrong

Well, those things I don't like doing. But the things I like doing, that include me being able to do things most people can't? Man or woman, "you're doing it wrong" is something I am not told.

 

[We Never Know]

If it is medically necessary and multiple health professionals agree to that and the 6 year old and their parents want it, yes, politicians shouldn't stand in the way of medicine.
You seem to be under the impression that doctors are amoral or immoral who just want to make sex changes to minors. That also seems to be the notion under which such laws are proposed. I have a little more trust in the medical profession than in that of politicians.
Doctors usually won't perform sex changes before a person hasn't grown up physically. That is different for every person and it just might be around 18 or 21 in the US. If your age laws are any indication, you grow up much slower than Europeans.

Give me good reasons why a 6 year old needs a sex change.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I didn't ask what states record that. I asked what yours has.

And I didn't say what states do or don't. Just pointing out it's not something everyone has on their birth certificate.

 

[We Never Know]

And I didn't say what states do or don't. Just pointing out it's not something everyone has on their birth certificate.

Well lets stop beating around the bush.... what's on yours?

I will go first. Mine has male.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Give me good reasons why a 6 year old needs a sex change.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Ok you are female

Yes.

with natural breasts,

Yes.

natural monthly menstral cycles

Not quite monthly, and not a true menstrual cycle, but even some cisfemale (again, this is to clarify and not provoke) healthcare providers have stared at me in disbelief and said "it sounds like you had a period."
It's actually not unusual for this to not be a normal thing for ciswomen, with some not having it at all.

can have baby's,

No, but many women for one reason or another can't.

,etc right?

What's this etc and right?
Something that might interest you is I have wondered what my sex chromosomes are and if I might have some weird condition. I don't have an adams apple, my feet and hands are small for someone born male of my height (and indeed Ive met many women with bigger hands and feet the same size), had breast development before hormone treatment, women's clothing fits better, and weird things and other things. I even have the lazy eye passed down on through the women in my mom's family and even have my mom's maternal grandmother looks in the face.

 

[We Never Know]

Yes.

Yes.

Not quite monthly, and not a true menstrual cycle, but even some cisfemale (again, this is to clarify and not provoke) healthcare providers have stared at me in disbelief and said "it sounds like you had a period."
It's actually not unusual for this to not be a normal thing for ciswomen, with some not having it at all.

No, but many women for one reason or another can't.

What's this etc and right?
Something that might interest you is I have wondered what my sex chromosomes are and if I might have some weird condition. I don't have an adams apple, my feet and hands are small for someone born male of my height (and indeed Ive met many women with bigger hands and feet the same size), had breast development before hormone treatment, women's clothing fits better, and weird things and other things. I even have the lazy eye passed down on through the women in my mom's family and even have my mom's maternal grandmother looks in the face.

Why will you not admit you are a born male trying to transition to a female? There is no shame in it. The only shame is denying it.

 

[SomeRandom]

Sorry, for some reason my brain has lost quite a few IQ points"

I see that with every post you make. See we can agree

So you grow dumber with new information?
That’s…..quite the revelation
I’m a complete idiot
But damn that’s an achievement

 

[Heyo]

Give me good reasons why a 6 year old needs a sex change.

I already said it: medical reasons. E.g. a person born with both male and female characteristics got assigned a sex at birth. At 6 years old there are problems with the genitalia of that sex. Removing them and thereby changing the sex assigned at birth would be such an example.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Well lets stop beating around the bush.... what's on yours?

I will go first. Mine has male.

You haven't figured it out?

 

[We Never Know]

I already said it: medical reasons. E.g. a person born with both male and female characteristics got assigned a sex at birth. At 6 years old there are problems with the genitalia of that sex. Removing them and thereby changing the sex assigned at birth would be such an example.

OK. But not because they think so?

 

[We Never Know]

You haven't figured it out?

Sure I have. I can even accept it.
What I cant figure out i why its like pulling teeth for you to admit it.

 

[SomeRandom]

OK. But not because they think so?

It’s a medical thing done by doctors. I sincerely don’t think they ask the patient or even their parents beforehand.
Are you sincerely unaware of sex change procedures for hermaphroditism or other intersex conditions typically done at birth? Don’t think doctors ask babies whether or not certain body parts should be chopped off at the point of birth for medical reasons s lol
(For the record statistically speaking that’s 1155,000,00 of the worlds population. Since intersex conditions account for 1.5% of births worldwide.)

 

[We Never Know]

It’s a medical thing done by doctors. I sincerely don’t think they ask the patient or even their parents beforehand.
Are you sincerely unaware of sex change procedures for hermaphroditism or other intersex conditions typically done at birth? Don’t think doctors ask babies whether or not certain body parts should be chopped off at the point of birth for medical reasons s lol

hermaphroditism. Thats way above what we are talking about.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Why will you not admit you are a born male trying to transition to a female? There is no shame in it. The only shame is denying it.

Lie down and roll over like a dog for you?
Nah.
Amd, truly, I don't know if I was born a "regular male" or not and I'm not the only one who has been curious about that. I haven't cared to be tested for that because it doesn't really change much other than explaining some things.

 

[Heyo]

OK. But not because they think so?

Not because they think so. And they wouldn't find a surgeon willing to do it just because they want it. There is no need to legislate that. It probably already is in a less specific way and, as I said before, I trust the opinion of experts more than that of politicians.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

hermaphroditism. Thats way above what we are talking about.

Not really. It things forced on them, unwanted things forced on them, rightful choices removed, and gender identity issues are known here as well.

 

[We Never Know]

Lie down and roll over like a dog for you?
Nah.
Amd, truly, I don't know if I was born a "regular male" or not and I'm not the only one who has been curious about that. I haven't cared to be tested for that because it doesn't really change much other than explaining some things.

I don't want you to roll over. I can and will try understand your confusion/situation.... But don't label me for being male as I was born. Leave me out of it. Is that ok to ask?

 

[SomeRandom]

hermaphroditism. Thats way above what we are talking about.

It is still a possibility. That this legislation doesn’t take into consideration because it can’t
Do you want medical legislation to ignore medical occurrences?
Answer me honestly

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Sure I have. I can even accept it.
What I cant figure out i why its like pulling teeth for you to admit it.

Or you could quit making assumptions. Seems a good place to start than insisting there is some to "admit."
And, by the way, I'm not going to be a circus bear riding a bike for you.