Smokeless Indica
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It is kind of barbaric but he requested it so why deny him his choice of how he wants to go?
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Utah counts down to firing squad execution
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It is kind of barbaric but he requested it so why deny him his choice of how he wants to go?
Is it really barbaric? It's quick, painless & reliable. Electrocution & lethal injection have far more problems. Perhaps it's the honesty & directness of death
by bullet which people find offensive. Execution is no less deadly or horrible just cuz the venue resembles an operating theater or an electrical utility room.
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angellous_evangellous
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Because he has no right to a choice. Utah gave him that priviledge.
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angellous_evangellous
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Honestly, I don't know why I find it barbaric. We can put these guys in a woodchipper for all I care. I think that they should suffer as much as their victims and a painless death is reprehensible.
Shadow Wolf
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This is of course assuming the shooter that has a real bullet is accurate on that shot, and also that you die instantly from it. My luck the shooter would miss and I would be in a considerable amount of suffering before death.
I sympathize with you, but a painful death looks to be never acceptable in this country.
Now, if I had my way, the state would auction off the right to execute the condemned.
The highest bidder would choose the method. The state's coffers would benefit.
(Revolting, eh? How many posters are thinking it's great that I have no authority?)
Smokeless Indica
<3 Damian Edward Nixon <3
Your right I used the wrong words. He doesn't have the right he has the privilege. Since they gave him the choice by all means kill him how he wants, he's going to die anyway why does it matter how it's done? He's lucky he gets (got?) that much.
Has he been executed yet?
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angellous_evangellous
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angellous_evangellous
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Despite what we sometimes see, prison is no joke, especially death row.
Even though the death itself is painless, we can be assured that these people suffer greatly in prison. On top of this, they have the pleasure of knowing how and when they will die. That's something to think about.
My one protest in this case is that for his this meal, I believe he had steak and lobster tail.
http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top%20stories/story/Gardners-last-moments/TsKzekDeW0K1Hrexd0naFw.cspx
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angellous_evangellous
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Personally, I think that death row inmates should only be allowed to choose their last meal from the prison menu.
Poisonshady313
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There are four shooters with real bullets, and they're all aiming at a white target on the guy's chest... and though they're not at point blank range, they're not terribly far away either.
And honestly, I don't know why there is such a premium placed on a quick, painless death. No such thing was afforded to their victims. There's a reason this is called the death PENALTY.
And I'm not advocating things like mutilation or excessively prolonged death.... but if a criminal being executed has to suffer terrible pain for a few minutes... he's earned it.
Four shooters, qualified and well trained to use firearms, all aimed at the same place. You wouldn't have much to worry about.
KatNotKathy
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What is accomplished by having an execution be painful?
Poisonshady313
Well-Known Member
The accomplishment is in the execution taking place.
How it takes place... those are just details.
We're not talking about a terminally ill patient being gracefully put to sleep... we're talking about a murderer who was sentenced to die by a jury of his peers for his crimes against humanity.
Punishment isn't nice.
KatNotKathy
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Ok, but why risk painfully executing an innocent (again)? With a painless execution, at least we can say "at least it was painless" when we inevitably get the wrong guy. Innocents being executed is a very real phenomenon, and implementing painful executions will inevitably lead to some innocent people being painfully killed. Can you sleep with that?
Poisonshady313
Well-Known Member
Why risk life imprisonment for an innocent? They could end up being killed in prison... or repeatedly beaten and raped... and with your recommendation of solitary confinement, perhaps they could go crazy or let some medical condition fester... can you sleep with that?
At least in the extremely rare event of the execution of an innocent, it's over within minutes.
Even if an innocent guy is exonerated from his sentence after a decade or two... consider the hell you've put him through, how badly it will screw up his life on the outside. I've even heard in some cases it turns good people into criminals because they have to learn to cope with being on the inside... and so they'll act out in ways that will likely get them thrown back in.
Why condemn an innocent man to a life of hell? Why not let it be over?
kai
ragamuffin
you mean shoot em all and let god sort em out eh!
KatNotKathy
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So I take it you're fine with innocent people being painfully executed so long as they get the right guy sometimes?
Innocent people in jail is a tragedy, but it's a tragedy we can fix.
Innocent people in jail is a tragedy, but it's a tragedy we can fix.
Poisonshady313
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If an innocent man dies in prison, do you really feel any better knowing he COULD HAVE been let go? Does it really make a difference? Is he any less innocent than the guy who was wrongfully executed? Is he any less dead?
And no, I'm not saying shoot em all and let got sort em out. The application of the death penalty itself is extremely rare.... much more rare than that is the possibility of executing an innocent person.
I'd rather that no innocent person be convicted. But since that happens, you'd prefer that he suffer miserably for the rest of his life than to have it be over in a matter of minutes?
Even with wrongful imprisonment, there's a societal benefit of having a working penal system. There's also no alternative that would keep all innocent people out of jail that wouldn't result in horrible conseqences for society.
When we look at capital punishment, though, the same justifications don't apply. Where's the societal benefit of that extra step of going from imprisoning a criminal to executing him?
And you can't make the same argument that you have no viable alternatives, because there is a viable alternative to capital punishment: life imprisonment. It fulfills all the valid goals of capital punishment without having as high a cost in terms of punishment inflicted on the wrongfully convicted.