Vaccinated teachers and students don’t need masks, CDC says

[Revoltingest]

Yes, Trump's ignorant ramblings about the "China flu" and injecting bleach wasn't a good look.

Those things weren't the problem IMO.
It was his dismissal of the seriousness of the virus.
That was utterly unconscionable.

As for the "China flu" or "Kung flu", that was
in response to Chinese government claims
that Ameristan introduced the virus to China.
They deserved that retaliation.

 

[Stevicus]

In my opinion the virus was made political and now it seems the vaccine is becoming political. Making it political hurts the validity of it.

I've heard others make similar arguments about the virus being political. Along the same lines, I've heard some people say that the restrictions and mask mandates were just ways of controlling people, and many Americans just will not be controlled. They don't like being told what to do or how to live. It doesn't matter what the crisis is. It could be a zombie apocalypse, and people would still act the same way.

In my own opinion, I don't think the virus was "made political," but questions about law and the government's response to the pandemic will invariably turn into political questions. There's no way around that. But these are all fair questions: Did the government overreact and overstep too far? I don't think that's a question we can answer in the here and now. 10-20 years from now, when we can get a better perspective and more research and data, we might be able to look at it more reasonably.

 

[exchemist]

Last I heard, which was back in 2020, a typical mask gives 5% protection against infection; so 95% of the time they estimate that being around infected people will get you infected.

How is that calculated? All I know is they were use masks in a lab with mists.

On the other hand if you have the covid virus then that mask protects others 70% of the time. Overall the mask protects other people and not the wearer.

This is what I remember from last year, and I think we discussed it here in the forum.

Yes, that's right, though I didn't have the numbers. Thanks for those.

This is what is so nuts about presenting mask wearing as a matter of individual choice, when its function is to stop you infecting other people.

 

[Left Coast]

What's your opinion on people who in good faith just want to make sure it's formally approved or already have a natural resistance to Covids effects? Even if they say side effects are rare.

My opinion is that most of those people are just using that as an excuse and very few people are going to all of a sudden change their mind when the FDA formally approves the vaccines. My impression is that the vast majority of Americans who want a vaccine have already gotten it. But I'll be pleasantly surprised if I'm wrong.

It seems there are some deaths after taking the vaccine as well as those who reported horrible reactions from it while others say they were just fine after taking it.

On balance the vast majority of people are fine after getting it. Take a look at any of the studies that have been done.

 

[We Never Know]

Last I heard, which was back in 2020, a typical mask gives 5% protection against infection; so 95% of the time they estimate that being around infected people will get you infected.

How is that calculated? All I know is they were use masks in a lab with mists.

On the other hand if you have the covid virus then that mask protects others 70% of the time. Overall the mask protects other people and not the wearer.

This is what I remember from last year, and I think we discussed it here in the forum.

That's because a mask isn't for protectng yourself, its for protection others around you.
A surgeon wears a mask to protect the patient from him ...not himself from the patient.

 

[Windwalker]

The vaccinated can still get it, carry it and spread it. So they don't need a mask because why???

You cannot spread Covid-19 if you are not infected. It is not like Typhoid Mary, where you are not infected, yet you are a carrier. The only way to be a carrier, is if you are infected.

If you are fully vaccinated (not half-vaccinated), the odds are low you will get infected. Those who are fully vaccinated and still get infected in that low percentage of cases are typically those who have weak immune systems, such as the elderly. Children and younger adults have a far lower chance of getting infected after vaccination, than elderly adults. If they aren't infected, they aren't spreaders of it.

I think the vaccinated are safe. The unvaccinated however, better get their acts together soon, if they want to survive.

 

[sun rise]

We see next week... I'm quite sure they will reverse it

I've observed this to be their strategy... wait and see

Given what we've learned along the way, it's best practice to follow what we do know and adjust or even reverse it when we learn more. A couple retired doctor friends who spent time focusing on the science related to COVID were in 100% agreement with the process (outside of Trump's trying to put politics and his ego ahead of the science).

 

[sun rise]

If you are fully vaccinated (not half-vaccinated), the odds are low you will get infected.

The vaccines are significantly less effective for the delta (India) variety. Pfizer has just asked for approval for a booster shot because of that. Since I'll be at the 6-month mark next month and had the Pfizer jabs, I'm hyper aware of what is going on with delta, delta+, lambda and the Pfizer statement.

 

[sun rise]

In my opinion the virus was made political and now it seems the vaccine is becoming political. Making it political hurts the validity of it.

The right, including Trump and the extreme right media such as Fox made the virus political and are now making efforts to get people vaccinated political. So I agree that it's a problem.

But given how the right is working these days, I don't see what can be done under the Constitution and our system of laws.

 

[sun rise]

Yes, that's right, though I didn't have the numbers. Thanks for those.

This is what is so nuts about presenting mask wearing as a matter of individual choice, when its function is to stop you infecting other people.

That's what is being done now at least in California which has been following the science rather than making it political. We'll see how well that works.

 

[sun rise]

That's because a mask isn't for protectng yourself, its for protection others around you.
A surgeon wears a mask to protect the patient from him ...not himself from the patient.

It works both ways because people inhale as well as exhale.

 

[Windwalker]

The vaccines are significantly less effective for the delta (India) variety. Pfizer has just asked for approval for a booster shot because of that. Since I'll be at the 6-month mark next month and had the Pfizer jabs, I'm hyper aware of what is going on with delta, delta+, lambda and the Pfizer statement.

My understanding is that in some studies, it's as high as a 10% chance. Is that what you've seen? Also, for which age groups? I know that those who have been vaccinated and are elderly, that risk percentage increases. Or are you seeing those numbers higher, and across all age groups and health conditions? The latest I've seen is the delta variant is going to mow down the anti-vaccers much easier than those who have been vaccinated. If they lucked out the first round, the second may change their tune.

And yes, if they offer boosters, I plan to get one as well. For sure.

 

[JustGeorge]

My opinion is that most of those people are just using that as an excuse and very few people are going to all of a sudden change their mind when the FDA formally approves the vaccines. My impression is that the vast majority of Americans who want a vaccine have already gotten it. But I'll be pleasantly surprised if I'm wrong.

I think the feelings on the vaccine could be compared to the political spectrum... there's a loud group on one side, and a loud group on the other, and a whole lot of quiet people in between...

I think there's a lot of 'on the fence' regarding the vaccine that are slowly trickling in to get them as they feel safer with things, or for other various reasons.

I was an 'on the fencer', but when my husband started refusing to wear a mask, I got vaccinated, and I made him do it, too. Got my second shot Wednesday.

 

[nPeace]

The vaccinated can still get it, carry it and spread it. So they don't need a mask because why???

Vaccinated Teachers and Students Don't Need Masks, CDC Says | Health News | US News

They are "protected". aka immune.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Hardly. There's absolutely no reason whatsoever that vaccinated people have to fear anyone without a mask save for others who don't get it for one reason or other. Some just don't want to take it untill all side effects are known. It's their body, their choice.

It's overkill.

Those uns give covid more chances to mutate. That's something we all should fear.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The vaccinated can still get it, carry it and spread it. So they don't need a mask because why???

Vaccinated Teachers and Students Don't Need Masks, CDC Says | Health News | US News

Covid is here to stay and we can't keep wearing masks forever. Amd while those of us vaccinated can still get sick, were getting to a point where most of the hospitalizations and deaths are among the unvaccinated.

 

[SomeRandom]

I'm not saying its a bad incentive, but there had been some accounts where people felt they were not givin choices based on reasonable fears and concerns that leads to hesitation on getting the vaccine.

Like this one...

Breda O’Brien: Healthcare students bullied into taking AstraZeneca vaccine


People just want to be sure. That's all.

Only in America, sheesh.
I get that people might be wary of new vaccines. I understand there may be some anxiety about such an occurrence. That’s fine. But geez guys. This is a pandemic. Even young people are experiencing severe long term affects of COVID.
My country absolutely stuffed up the vaccine rollout. Here I am, low risk, under 40. Absolutely desperate to roll up my sleeve. I can’t because we first need to vaccinate those at higher risk and their carers. Which is fair enough. I will wait my turn to serve my community. But man you think you guys have a big brother like government? Right now in my state it is mandatory to “check in” using one’s phone when shopping or going out in public. Which means the government knows exactly where I shopped when I shopped and which shops or businesses I went to on any given day. I understand it’s for contact tracing purposes so I will comply. Of course. It’s still really creepy though. I’d much rather have herd immunity through vaccines.
Trust me when I say, I honestly think the vaccines will save us (at least in my country) of an encroaching big brother. Because at the moment, it’s all very “plausible deniability.” Just tracking people’s movement for better overall public safety. But I mean would you like your government tracking your movements in such a fashion?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But man you think you guys have a big brother like government?

Just a quick disclaimer lots of us laugh at such silly nonsense. We know we don't have a dictator, big brother, or any of the sort. Just as we know there are plenty of examples of legit election fraud in various countries around the world if the Republicans ever want to see what that really looks like.

 

[SomeRandom]

Just a quick disclaimer lots of us laugh at such silly nonsense. We know we don't have a dictator, big brother, or any of the sort. Just as we know there are plenty of examples of legit election fraud in various countries around the world if the Republicans ever want to see what that really looks like.

Oh don’t get me wrong. I know such claims are part of the minority. And trust me when I say, such claims are not unique to your country. I have conservative uncles who basically say the same of our own government. Which makes us all laugh.
But like I said the recent mandatory requirements of my state give even me some pause. I don’t like my government knowing my movements. Don’t get me wrong I will comply with such mandates for the good of my community. It’s still a slightly disconcerting precedent set, though.

 

[JustGeorge]

Right now in my state it is mandatory to “check in” using one’s phone when shopping or going out in public.

This is a stupid question(and may be slightly off topic), but curiousity has gotten the better of me...

What if you don't have a phone/internet?