Vaccinated teachers and students don’t need masks, CDC says

[Saint Frankenstein]

Right? Double plus ungood.
Downright Orwellian. That’s why I would much rather herd immunity through vaccinations. Such measures are seen as “for the greater good” but what happens in the future?

It's.very bizarre to me considering that the situation here is like the exact opposite of yours. Our mask and social distancing mandates ended in early June and we're basically fully open. You can do what you please here. Entertainment facilities are are allowed to be at full capacity. Pretty much the only places you're required to wear a mask are hospitals and such (due to their own guidelines, not any mandate since those don't exist here anymore), and the bus because they're following some weird rule where they can't change it until September.

The vaccine is readily available to anyone, except children. Now we're at a point where the people who have wanted the vaccine have gotten it and they basically can't even give it away now. They've tried lotteries, give aways, etc. to try to get people to get vaccinated but I don't think it mattered. Lol. Oh, and our cases are pretty low now.

 

[SomeRandom]

It's.very bizarre to me considering that the situation here is like the exact opposite of yours. Our mask and social distancing mandates ended in early June and we're basically fully open. You can do what you please here. Entertainment facilities are are allowed to be at full capacity. Pretty much the only places you're required to wear a mask are hospitals and such (due to their own guidelines, not any mandate since those don't exist here anymore), and the bus because they're following some weird rule where they can't change it until September.

The vaccine is readily available to anyone, except children. Now we're at a point where the people who have wanted the vaccine have gotten it and they basically can't even give it away now. They've tried lotteries, give aways, etc. to try to get people to get vaccinated but I don't think it mattered. Lol. Oh, and our cases are pretty low now.

That’s good Saint. Hope you guys keep it that way

I think because they keep flip flopping on the rules. Only really locking down when clusters form. Then letting up when we have a few days clear of cases. Rinse and repeat. Plus we’re in winter right now, so I don’t think that helps us much.
If the bozos in charge would lock everything down for a month, actually get the vaccine rollout on schedule we could get everything back to normal. But then people would whine about their “freedom.” Or go stir crazy.

Then on top of that the government can’t decide if it wants “travel bubbles” open to close countries. We have a New Zealand bubble then we don’t, we have people stuck in quarantine and self isolation and people stuck overseas or even in the country. We are managing it better than some of our neighbouring countries. Although I fear for my family over in Fiji. I heard it’s pretty bad there.

I also read somewhere that the boffins are looking at making the COVID vaccination a yearly thing like the flu one, because of the different strains popping up and the apparent lack of long term resistance maintained by the body. Which weirdly makes sense I guess. But can you imagine if this becomes a yearly thing?

I imagine this is what happened during the Spanish flu epidemic. Scrambling to find a vaccine then having it be a yearly thing much to everyone’s displeasure. Uhhh

 

[Twilight Hue]

Good faith? No. They're not telling the truth.

Their actual reason for not taking the vaccine will be fear or possibly political posturing / tribalism. But it's simply not realistic to think that such people care about FDA approval. They don't care about science and they don't care what the FDA or CDC say, but they know that other people do, and don't want to admit that they have little respect for or use for science except to try to use a little to avoid giving an answer that they know others will find reprehensible.

It's analogous to the creationists giving sciencey counterarguments to Darwin. These are people who don't know science and don't care about it except to try to use the science they like against the science they don't like

Likewise with the anti-choice people, who will give every reason they can think of that they hope others will respect to criminalize abortion except their actual reason - it's what they think their god wants them to believe, to say, and act against. They know they can't argue for their religious beliefs and be taken seriously in a secular state.

It's easy to understand the actual motivations of such people, which is rarely the reason they give.

There have been accounts of severe side reactions to the vaccine while others have taken it and are fine. This is first hand local accounts directly made from people in my area, not a national voice piece stating its safe to use.

It's a mixed bag at best.

 

[SomeRandom]

There have been accounts of severe side reactions to the vaccine while others have taken it and are fine. This is first hand local accounts directly made from people in my area, not a national voice piece stating its safe to use.

It's a mixed bag at best.

I mean, to be fair, you can say that about most if not all vaccines. There are instances of people having severe allergic reactions to the measles vaccine, right? I’d still rather my nieces and nephews get the vaccine than actually get the measles though

 

[Twilight Hue]

I mean, to be fair, you can say that about most if not all vaccines. There are instances of people having severe allergic reactions to the measles vaccine, right? I’d still rather my nieces and nephews get the vaccine than actually get the measles though

The doctors say it's primarly because the immune system is being activated and brings symptoms with it as it adjusts to combat the intruder for which its normal to feel sick. People typically get sick after the second shot, requiring a day off or two, and then they are good to go.

Others say it was actually worse and are reluctant if this thing happens to be a yearly event like the flu.

Most say they are fine though.

 

[SomeRandom]

The doctors say it's primarly because the immune system is being activated and brings symptoms with it as it adjusts to combat the intruder for which its normal to feel sick. People typically get sick after the second shot, requiring a day off or two, and then they are good to go.

Others say it was actually worse and are reluctant if this thing happens to be a yearly event like the flu.

Most say they are fine though.

Yeah that happens with literally all vaccines. It’s essentially teaching your immune system how to properly fight insert disease here. Often times that means mild symptoms as your immune system “practices.”
My mum had a mild runny nose before and after her second dose and her immune system kicked the snot out of her. Like literally. But she was fine afterwards.

 

[We Never Know]

The vaccines are significantly less effective for the delta (India) variety. Pfizer has just asked for approval for a booster shot because of that. Since I'll be at the 6-month mark next month and had the Pfizer jabs, I'm hyper aware of what is going on with delta, delta+, lambda and the Pfizer statement.

Covid isn't going anywhere. In a year we will still be having this same discussion.

 

[We Never Know]

It works both ways because people inhale as well as exhale.

Unless your are wearing a N-95 mask,,, its basically one way.....more for them than you.

 

[We Never Know]

They are "protected". aka immune.

At least that's what they are led to believe.

 

[We Never Know]

Covid is here to stay and we can't keep wearing masks forever. Amd while those of us vaccinated can still get sick, were getting to a point where most of the hospitalizations and deaths are among the unvaccinated.

I agree and already said that. Next step is they will announce covid season.

 

[We Never Know]

The vaccines are significantly less effective for the delta (India) variety. Pfizer has just asked for approval for a booster shot because of that. Since I'll be at the 6-month mark next month and had the Pfizer jabs, I'm hyper aware of what is going on with delta, delta+, lambda and the Pfizer statement.

Flu and pneumonia seasons mainly occur in the fall and winter. While both circulate year-round, most of the time activity peaks between fall and winter but activity can last as late as spring.Each "season" there is a new variant and a new vaccine shot.
Covid will be the same but it will also be active in summer, so basically year round. That's my opinion.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I agree and already said that. Next step is they will announce covid season.

Yup. And unfortunately America will be one of those places getting it, because a lot of people would rather die foolishly and put others at risk than consider the fact their actions effects others. It's basically land of the selfish, home of collective destruction.

 

[We Never Know]

Yup. And unfortunately America will be one of those places getting it, because a lot of people would rather die foolishly and put others at risk than consider the fact their actions effects others. It's basically land of the selfish, home of collective destruction.

Here's the thing...this virus supposedly jumped from some animal to humans. With that said it can mutate in said animal and jump to humans at any given time.
We humans have advanced and can handle many things put less we forget we are just another animal on this rock and nature can kick our arse anytime she wants to.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

less we forget we are just another animal on this rock and nature can kick our arse anytime she wants to.

I'd say that happened here. The "little flu," "I'll be fine," and others who downplayed this showed us its about as deadly as heart disease.

 

[exchemist]

The group is not that dangerous to those already vaccinated.

But it most certainly is to other members of the group.

And what is more, it is dangerous to everyone, in that it provides a reservoir of infection in which new variants can breed which may overcome the vaccine immunity and thereby threaten everyone, vaccinated or not.

 

[Twilight Hue]

But it most certainly is to other members of the group.

And what is more, it is dangerous to everyone, in that it provides a reservoir of infection in which new variants can breed which may overcome the vaccine immunity and thereby threaten everyone, vaccinated or not.

No. Once they catch it immunity will still occur vaccinated or not.

 

[nPeace]

At least that's what they are led to believe.

Seems that way, based on what's being preached.
I'm sure these are not the only ones who "felt safe once they got their shots".
It's so common in the church, hearing the leaders preaching what they want people to hear. For a long time now the politicians have been doing the same thing.
Fear of telling the truth?

Reminds me of the Hell fire teaching. "If you don't serve the Lord, you will burn in hell."
That worked for a time, but some were like... "So what. I'll burn in hell."
Telling people they are protected, won't make the "So what(ers)" take the shot, but it would misguide some into being careless.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Hardly. There's absolutely no reason whatsoever that vaccinated people have to fear anyone without a mask save for others who don't get it for one reason or other. Some just don't want to take it untill all side effects are known. It's their body, their choice.

It's overkill.

Haha... I'd bet you reported me. So funny. Some people.

 

[exchemist]

No. Once they catch it immunity will still occur vaccinated or not.

Yes. But that means they have to catch it. Which mean they incur the risks of serious illness (especially if they are fat) and the long-lasting, occasionally permanent, after effects that some people get.

And, while they are doing all this, they are helping to incubate new variants that may overcome immunity from the vaccines, thus putting at risk everyone.

There is just no getting away from it: a person who refuses to get vaccinated is part of the problem instead of the solution.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yeah that happens with literally all vaccines. It’s essentially teaching your immune system how to properly fight insert disease here. Often times that means mild symptoms as your immune system “practices.”
My mum had a mild runny nose before and after her second dose and her immune system kicked the snot out of her. Like literally. But she was fine afterwards.

It's one of the more positive reasons not to overplay the side effects too much.

Education on this might help when it's not the vaccine but your own immune system playing war games inside the body.

Nothing bad, just combat maneuvers. *grin*