Vaccine experience and poll

[Spirit of Light]

I'm going to go get my first and only jab soon
How many of you already have it? How is it? I read people die for it so faking smile I'll go, I want to visit my friends again and have fun everyday again

I don't have any.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I only worry myself when the situation presents itself personally. I'm only confronted with COVID when I go online or hear a stranger say something or other of it.

Does "present[ing] itself personally" include when you're at, say, a supermarket and have to decide whether or not to wear a mask or get very close to someone? Because that's a very possible situation where precautions could be important for someone with severe health issues or a risk factor like very old age making them more vulnerable to COVID. What would you do in that scenario?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

There's no way to know for sure that someone has COVID--or almost any other viral disease, for that matter--unless you medically test them. Since we can't do that but do know that COVID is highly transmissible, it's reasonable to treat most people as potential carriers unless you have a way of being sure they aren't.

That's why medical consensus isn't to wear masks or socially distance only around certain people but around most. You and anyone else can be a carrier and not know it.

I don't think that way based on what I'm told. To me. I feel it's rude to treat everyone as if they were carriers. I'd never see people like that. If I knew someone had covid I wouldn't be near the person but I wouldn't treat him like a disease and ask if he got vaccinated. That's me.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I don't think that way based on what I'm told. To me. I feel it's rude to treat everyone that if they were carriers. I'd never see people like that. If I knew someone had covid I wouldn't be near the person but I wouldn't treat him like a disease and ask if he got vaccinated. That's me.

I don't see how following medical advice is "treating someone ***." One can be perfectly sensible and respectful while taking precautions.

I don't ask anyone if they're vaccinated when they tell me they have strong symptoms of a cold; we just avoid hanging out until they recover. I apply the same thing to myself. Even if they're vaccinated, having symptoms means they're sick with something and, as a result, can infect someone else.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I don't see how following medical advice is "treating someone ***." One can be perfectly sensible and respectful while taking precautions.

I don't ask anyone if they're vaccinated when they tell me they have strong symptoms of a cold; we just avoid hanging out until they recover. I apply the same thing to myself. Even if they're vaccinated, having symptoms means they're sick with something and, as a result, can infect someone else.

Misspelling. I meant "that." Im not a curser.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Misspelling. I meant "that." Im not a curser.

Okay. What I said still applies, though: you don't have to be rude to people in order to follow precautions. Since we both agree on avoiding contact with people who have COVID (and I'd also isolate myself and understand if people wanted to avoid hanging out with me while I had it), I don't see where the issue is.

Edit: Also, I'm interested to see your response to post #63. The question I asked there is directly connected to what we're talking about here.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I don't see how following medical advice is "treating someone ***." One can be perfectly sensible and respectful while taking precautions.

I don't ask anyone if they're vaccinated when they tell me they have strong symptoms of a cold; we just avoid hanging out until they recover. I apply the same thing to myself. Even if they're vaccinated, having symptoms means they're sick with something and, as a result, can infect someone else.

Your second paragraph I do that too. To me COVID isn't an exception. If someone had it I'd wait till they get better. If it's someone I know and they didn't vac and ended up in the hospital I'd visit and offer my help and care.

If I had the flu often then I'd take precautions and possibly take the flu vaccine. Since I don't have that history, I don't see it necessary. I take precautions when I know for myself that I'm at risk of catching COVID.

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Debate. Mind you this is for me only. Some feel more level of urgency and risk than the person beside them.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Your second paragraph I do that too. To me COVID isn't an exception. If someone had it I'd wait till they get better. If it's someone I know and they didn't vac and ended up in the hospital I'd visit and offer my help and care.

If I had the flu often then I'd take precautions and possibly take the flu vaccine. Since I don't have that history, I don't see it necessary. I take precautions when I know for myself that I'm at risk of catching COVID.

I view COVID as different due to its higher fatality rate and stronger side-effect profile compared to the common cold or the flu. I wouldn't care much about catching a common cold, especially since there are easily accessible treatments for it anyway. COVID is a different story--and even if I had few or no symptoms, I'd worry about passing it on to a family member or someone else who was more vulnerable to severe disease or death than I was.

I'd offer help and care to anyone I cared about regardless of their vaccination status too. My parents are unvaccinated, but I'd never stop caring about them or giving help when I could.

 

[Jainarayan]

There are people who either can't get vaccinated due to being among a tiny minority who have medically disqualifying reasons or are still at considerable risk of severe illness or death even after vaccination. These include the very elderly (those who are 80 or older, for instance) and people with immunocompromising conditions (including some whose immune systems are weakened by chemotherapy or other necessary treatments).

In my opinion, anyone, vaccinated or not, should do their best to take precautionary measures around such people. Just as I wouldn't want to lose someone because someone else wasn't careful enough around them (e.g., by getting too close to them while not wearing a mask), I wouldn't want to cause that for someone else either.

I'm planning to keep wearing my mask and maintain social distancing as much as possible even when I get my jab (which I've been waiting to get for months now). I think most people who act like absolutely nothing is happening just because they got vaccinated are either being misinformed or irresponsible. Being vaccinated isn't a free pass to forgo medical advice in ways that could endanger others.

I don’t disagree. As I’ve said, I’m not a crusader for or against it. I wear a mask when it’s warranted or I have some misgivings about the environment. As much as I dislike it as much as the next person I think it’s one of the reasons if not the primary reason I didn’t get my annual colds. This is good because when I’m sick I’m more of an ******* than usual. What also helped was not being in the office exposed to people trying to bring up their livers coughing, or blowing snot all over phones, printers, copiers, keyboards, etc. So I do believe these measures are useful. Fortunately, despite the annual head cold and occasional chest cold, which are more annoying than anything else, I haven’t had the flu since 1978 or 1979. I think I’m fortunate to be blessed with a pretty good immune system. My husband, otoh, catches something if I fart.

 

[JustGeorge]

My husband, otoh, catches something if I fart.

If that's the case... maybe you should put the mask on your backside?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Okay. What I said still applies, though: you don't have to be rude to people in order to follow precautions. Since we both agree on avoiding contact with people who have COVID (and I'd also isolate myself and understand if people wanted to avoid hanging out with me while I had it), I don't see where the issue is.

Edit: Also, I'm interested to see your response to post #63. The question I asked there is directly connected to what we're talking about here.

Of course it's good to take precautions. I don't talk with people about it in person so the rudeness I see is online. But push comes to shove most people are civil.

The person taking precautions should do so when warranted. So, if someone is at high risk reaction would be more important than those who aren't. It also depends on ones character, healthy mentality, lifestyle, and so forth. Everyone's method of precaution fits their own situation.

But there's nothing wrong with precautions. I'm sure unvaccinated take precautions too.

For me, I'm less about doing what I'm told unless I see the reasoning behind it I can connect with my own experiences. So, if the data in UK says 4 million died of COVID but my local area two, I'd take precautions based on locality not take the world on my shoulders.

I'd have to get back to 62 when I'm in the house

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I view COVID as different due to its higher fatality rate and stronger side-effect profile compared to the common cold or the flu. I wouldn't care much about catching a common cold, especially since there are easily accessible treatments for it anyway. COVID is a different story--and even if I had few or no symptoms, I'd worry about passing it on to a family member or someone else who was more vulnerable to severe disease or death than I was.

I understand that. For some reason I've never had much sense of urgency to big events. I saw a car crash one time and just stood there. Partly brain related and partly I don't know. Not lack of empathy or anything like that just hard to show it. If it's not a direct experience rather than numbers on the screen or another person's testimony I don't put my emotions too close to it. I don't see it by what illness a person has COVID, complications from flu, cancer, whatever, just the severity of the symptoms and nature of the illness.

Vaccine wise, though, I would personally need an inherent reason to take it not based on what I'm told (unless a bomb threat, then, well).

I'd offer help and care to anyone I cared about regardless of their vaccination status too. My parents are unvaccinated, but I'd never stop caring about them or giving help when I could.

That's good. My friend doesn't want me to be around her and her children solely because I'm not vaccinated and we have known each other for near 20 years. I understand why she doesn't visit me since I live in an elder or disabled independent residency but I hope if I do get sick she won't take that against me. I saw a side of her that I didn't think I would see but people react to the pandemic differently and she has children. I dont.

How many of you already have it? How is it? I read people die for it so faking smile I'll go, I want to visit my friends again and have fun everyday again

62 from @Leahpolitan_icecream's post?

Here's vaccines by age here in the States. Vaccines for Your Children: Protect Your Child at Every Age I'm honestly not sure the context since I'm not a mother and never took vaccines voluntarily.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Does "present[ing] itself personally" include when you're at, say, a supermarket and have to decide whether or not to wear a mask or get very close to someone? Because that's a very possible situation where precautions could be important for someone with severe health issues or a risk factor like very old age making them more vulnerable to COVID. What would you do in that scenario?

But this is for anything not just COVID. Unless I have a cold, contagious illness, so have you I can't control how other people's health will be affected by my being near them. In the US we already have a "six feet" rule due to common courtesy and cultural norms. Someone's overall health determines how they may be affected by the people around them health-wise not someone near them who may have COVID (but not confirmed).

How would I know if a complete stranger has a life-threatening illness and why would I all of the sudden think I have COVID to avoid the person more than I would already?

Of course, you can take precautions if you believe you may have COVID so other people regardless their health won't contract it. Not every person's situation is like that.

We're from all over the globe so blanketing the proper way and moral of how people should take responsibly to think of others in a global pandemic is highly unrealistic.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Of course it's good to take precautions. I don't talk with people about it in person so the rudeness I see is online. But push comes to shove most people are civil.

The person taking precautions should do so when warranted. So, if someone is at high risk reaction would be more important than those who aren't. It also depends on ones character, healthy mentality, lifestyle, and so forth. Everyone's method of precaution fits their own situation.

But there's nothing wrong with precautions. I'm sure unvaccinated take precautions too.

For me, I'm less about doing what I'm told unless I see the reasoning behind it I can connect with my own experiences. So, if the data in UK says 4 million died of COVID but my local area two, I'd take precautions based on locality not take the world on my shoulders.

I'd have to get back to 62 when I'm in the house

Some diseases are global, such as cancer and COVID. So if data from multiple countries indicates that smoking causes lung cancer but one's area has few cases of lung cancer, it's still illogical to dismiss the risk of smoking merely because one's area has few cases.

Not everything has reasoning that laypeople can readily see. For example, to some people, it isn't intuitive that second-hand cigarette smoke is as harmful as it is; it's not intuitive to them that it contains numerous carcinogens and can harm someone even if they've never smoked. But since this is what decades of evidence indicate, I don't think it's reasonable to just dismiss the risk because someone may not immediately see the reasoning behind it.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I understand that. For some reason I've never had much sense of urgency to big events. I saw a car crash one time and just stood there. Partly brain related and partly I don't know. Not lack of empathy or anything like that just hard to show it. If it's not a direct experience rather than numbers on the screen or another person's testimony I don't put my emotions too close to it. I don't see it by what illness a person has COVID, complications from flu, cancer, whatever, just the severity of the symptoms and nature of the illness.

Vaccine wise, though, I would personally need an inherent reason to take it not based on what I'm told (unless a bomb threat, then, well).

Different people react differently to various situations, but hopefully you understand why most people don't just dismiss or ignore statistics from other countries when it comes to COVID. This dovetails with my response to the second part of your post:

That's good. My friend doesn't want me to be around her and her children solely because I'm not vaccinated and we have known each other for near 20 years. I understand why she doesn't visit me since I live in an elder or disabled independent residency but I hope if I do get sick she won't take that against me. I saw a side of her that I didn't think I would see but people react to the pandemic differently and she has children. I dont.

I get the impression you're talking about this "side of her" as if it were something to blame her for. Why? If you believe in freedom of choice and don't want to get vaccinated for any given reason, it shouldn't be difficult to see why she also has the freedom to refuse to hang out with unvaccinated people, friends or not. Some people may not mind it (I wouldn't mind it myself unless my friend stopped observing preventive measures), but she has children and could very well not be ready to take the increased risk of transmission to her or her children that comes from hanging out with an unvaccinated person.

Vaccines don't fully prevent transmission, but they do reduce the probability thereof. I view it as reasonable for a parent to want to avoid any extra risk even if that means not hanging out with unvaccinated friends, especially now that there are more transmissible variants of the virus circulating around. I would miss my vaccinated friends if they told me they'd rather wait until I was vaccinated to hang out with me, but I'd also understand and respect that. It's nothing personal; it's just that the virus doesn't care who is or isn't a friend when it infects someone.

You're free not to get vaccinated, but you're not free to impose this decision on anyone else. People are also free to choose who to hang out with based on medical consensus about probability of transmission from unvaccinated people compared to vaccinated ones.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Different people react differently to various situations, but hopefully you understand why most people don't just dismiss or ignore statistics from other countries when it comes to COVID. This dovetails with my response to the second part of your post:



I get the impression you're talking about this "side of her" as if it were something to blame her for. Why? If you believe in freedom of choice and don't want to get vaccinated for any given reason, it shouldn't be difficult to see why she also has the freedom to refuse to hang out with unvaccinated people, friends or not. Some people may not mind it (I wouldn't mind it myself unless my friend stopped observing preventive measures), but she has children and could very well not be ready to take the increased risk of transmission to her or her children that comes from hanging out with an unvaccinated person.

Vaccines don't fully prevent transmission, but they do reduce the probability thereof. I view it as reasonable for a parent to want to avoid any extra risk even if that means not hanging out with unvaccinated friends, especially now that there are more transmissible variants of the virus circulating around. I would miss my vaccinated friends if they told me they'd rather wait until I was vaccinated to hang out with me, but I'd also understand and respect that. It's nothing personal; it's just that the virus doesn't care who is or isn't a friend when it infects someone.

You're free not to get vaccinated, but you're not free to impose this decision on anyone else. People are also free to choose who to hang out with based on medical consensus about probability of transmission from unvaccinated people compared to vaccinated ones.

The latter half comment about my friend was I understand since she has children and I do not. It's hard for her to have empathy for others but inside she's a sensitive person. I don't agree I'm asymptomatic in the last three years but I can't blame her since she has children.

I also said people have freedom to take the vaccine and others hopefully will have the freedom not to without being obstracized for it. My friend and I share different opinions but we are still friends. Unvaccinated people are blamed for not being vaxed and loosing their jobs. Very different context.

I don't hound her for her choice. Long as she respects me and I her. I never seen her afraid before. I'm not blaming her. I dated her half a year and haven't even seen her cry. It's an observation.

It bothers me because talking about things that bother me sometimes I call her up and we go back and forth. With this I can't even do that.

It's much more than vaccination. You guys can see it that way in content but the context of people's lives affected not just deaths is just as contagious. Ignore it discredit it if you will but it's true.

Location depending.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Some diseases are global, such as cancer and COVID. So if data from multiple countries indicates that smoking causes lung cancer but one's area has few cases of lung cancer, it's still illogical to dismiss the risk of smoking merely because one's area has few cases.

Not dismiss just I don't use up energy worrying about what I can't control. COVID is no different.

Not everything has reasoning that laypeople can readily see. For example, to some people, it isn't intuitive that second-hand cigarette smoke is as harmful as it is; it's not intuitive to them that it contains numerous carcinogens and can harm someone even if they've never smoked. But since this is what decades of evidence indicate, I don't think it's reasonable to just dismiss the risk because someone may not immediately see the reasoning behind it.

I see someone dismissing the risk if they smoked knowing what it will do.

An unvaccinated person isn't increasing their risk of catching COVID. They're not contributing to anyone who catches it a mile away from them. So, by default, precautions don't apply unless they are say taking care of a sick loved one.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Different people react differently to various situations, but hopefully you understand why most people don't just dismiss or ignore statistics from other countries when it comes to COVID. This dovetails with my response to the second part of your post:



I get the impression you're talking about this "side of her" as if it were something to blame her for. Why? If you believe in freedom of choice and don't want to get vaccinated for any given reason, it shouldn't be difficult to see why she also has the freedom to refuse to hang out with unvaccinated people, friends or not. Some people may not mind it (I wouldn't mind it myself unless my friend stopped observing preventive measures), but she has children and could very well not be ready to take the increased risk of transmission to her or her children that comes from hanging out with an unvaccinated person.

Vaccines don't fully prevent transmission, but they do reduce the probability thereof. I view it as reasonable for a parent to want to avoid any extra risk even if that means not hanging out with unvaccinated friends, especially now that there are more transmissible variants of the virus circulating around. I would miss my vaccinated friends if they told me they'd rather wait until I was vaccinated to hang out with me, but I'd also understand and respect that. It's nothing personal; it's just that the virus doesn't care who is or isn't a friend when it infects someone.

You're free not to get vaccinated, but you're not free to impose this decision on anyone else. People are also free to choose who to hang out with based on medical consensus about probability of transmission from unvaccinated people compared to vaccinated ones.

Can I ask. Why do you guys need boosters?

Are you going to continue to get boosters until they say you don't need it anymore or after X many boosters will you come to a conclusion you might not need every booster that comes out?

What's your opinion on needing a booster especially in the future?

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes, as a matter of fact, I am very anti-social. Buzz off.

Me too, and that is why I don't need the vaccine.

 

[Trailblazer]

Your statements are intensely Alice in Wonderland. Come back through the looking glass.

No, the comments are just plain insulting.