Vaccine experience and poll

[Revoltingest]

My friend was an anti-vaxxer,big guy,he caught covid and spent six weeks in bed on a ventilator,he said he never felt so I’ll in his life,really all this anti-vac is just nonsense.

At least he avoided the vaccine's side effects.
I spent a night sleeping poorly due to chills.
Better to spend 6 weeks on a hospital venitlator
to avoid the horror I endured, eh.

 

[Wandering Monk]

My friend was an anti-vaxxer,big guy,he caught covid and spent six weeks in bed on a ventilator,he said he never felt so I’ll in his life,really all this anti-vac is just nonsense.

My kid's childhood friend got Covid. He is 28. He has been to the emergency room twice and is now on supplemental oxygen. This is not just and old persons disease.

My grand niece was in intensive care for 10 days on a ventilator. She survived, but has long Covid including organ damage and hair loss. Three months on she still can't smell anything.

 

[Valjean]

It is a scientific fact that natural immunity is just as, perhaps even better than getting Vaccinated.
I had Covid, and I was a-symptomatic.

It's also a scientific fact that covid acquired immunity fades. You can catch it again. It's also a fact that vaccine acquired immunity fades -- hence the boosters.
"Natural immunity" is usually gene-mediated, not a direct function of the immune systems.

You're right that some people have a natural immunity to various diseases. This doesn't mean that, if infected, they aren't carrying -- and shedding -- their particular pathogen.

Remember Typhoid Mary? Never sick herself, but she infected so many people she was eventually banished to an island in New York's East River.

The lymphacytes themselvesStudies have shown that your T and B cells will last your whole life.

The lymphocytes themselves aren't immortal, particularly when active. Their antigenic memory, though, can be stored or copied, and, in some cases, can last for decades. Covid memory, on the other hand, doesn't seem to last so long, which is why they're giving boosters now.

I also know 2 people, who died days after receiving the jab, both from heart attacks.
My neighbour got goiter problems, and was ill for 3 weeks. She is still not as healthy as before the Jab.

What caused these "heart attacks?" Usually when your heart suddenly stops or muscle tissue dies, it's from a long-standing problem.
Goiter? Did they determine the vaccine caused a goiter? By what mechanism?

My biggest concern is that I had Chemo Therapy, and this had an effect on my lungs, and whenevere I get the flue, it lasts for weeks.
Funny that Covid did not knock me out as did flue.

Maybe you have natural immunity, or at least symptomatic immunity.

For the future...
Well it is bleak as long as Fauci and these superstar "Scientists" continues with their scare tactics.
it is now the 3 rd year we are living with covid, and there is no end in sight about the lies and propaganda these people are forcing down our throats.

Lies? Scare tactics? Propaganda? You feel there's some kind of conspiracy afoot? Why? Where are you getting this?
Maybe if more people heeded these scare tactics we wouldn't have so much covid going around.

They do not follow the science.
All of a sudden children is also now mandated.
They don't care for your Natural immunity, because it somehow is a threat to their existence.

It's you who doesn't follow the science, and scientists aren't hiding the fact that many infected people are asymptomatic or have mild symptoms. So where's the conspiracy?

Q: Do you want the government to mandate natural immunity tests? How would we test for that? We don't yet know why some are asymptomatic whilst others die.

We will carry the sign, on our right hand (work) and our foreheads (Thoughts), and if you dont have the evidence to show you were vaccinated, you will not be able to buy anything, or think for yourself.
The Mark of the Beast taking your freedom away to be loyal servents of the powerfull forces ruling over us?

Ah! -- So it's the religious propaganda sites you've been reading.

If they do not allow Natural Immunity as a substetude for vaccines, what else might their reason me for this despotism?

Again, how would we test for this natural immunity? What would we do with the results?
Wouldn't asymptomatic people walking around shedding virus be dangerous, too?

Fact: the disease exists, it's harming/killing a lot of people. How's this natural immunity helping?

 

[Valjean]

You haven’t proven I’m causing harm to anyone else nor do you have any way to do that. You’re using your personal interpretations and cobbling together of information to label me as anti-social and a threat.

How is someone walking around, shedding virus amongst susceptible people, not a threat?
How do you not see this?

 

[Valjean]

Natural immunity would mean everyone would need to have the virus to be immune from it. That's not realistic but counterproductive.

And the immunity wouldn't be permanent. People have been reïnfected.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

- The immune response to vaccines decreases at some point, so boosters are meant to stimulate it again. This is especially the case with viruses that are particularly prone to transmission and mutation, such as the coronaviruses that cause COVID and the flu. Some information about booster shots is covered in detail here, if you wish to know more about why they're now recommended:

Understanding the science behind a vaccine booster

- It's hard to answer this question given that we don't know what the situation will be by the time another booster shot may be required. Maybe effective antiviral pills or other treatments for COVID will have come out, and maybe we'll indeed need to take seasonal vaccines for COVID similarly to the flu. What I can say for sure is that my decisions about such things will be based on scientific consensus about booster shots and their benefits versus risks (if any notable risks exist).

- My opinion on needing booster shots is that it's increasingly looking like it will be a reality for the foreseeable future, possibly for years or decades to come, due to the mutations of the virus as well as the strong possibility that COVID may become an endemic disease much like the flu. I would obviously prefer not to have to get any shots, but given the circumstances, that's the best and safest option we have for now per the consensus of medical experts.

When do you say (or can say) that a 10th booster isn't right for you without seeing it as disregarding medical advice?

For two examples, my pharmacist says that I should take Tylenol for my headaches over other meds. Since it's not deadly, I take Advil cause it helps better with headaches. Tylenol doesn't work. While I could have taken their advice they're not my doctor. I never got side effects and continue to take Advil. In this case I thought for myself despite medical advice from a person who doesn't know my health. They are professionals but not my doctor.

To use the common car example, in the states if you follow the speed limit on the highway despite car speed you can get a ticket or get someone else and yourself killed in an accident. You have to go with traffic despite the limit. This means knowing when to use the speed limit and when not to. It also means thinking for yourself since the drivers manual doesnt have All driving situations you may confront.

I assume in smaller countries the wave of the pandemic is felt much more than the US. It just depends.

Coping with Stress

Fear can make people cause problems. Scientist and government arent gods so they can fear to. We have free will to make our own decisions as long as they don't impose on people.

 

[metis]

My problem with the whole vaccine mandatory forcing everyone to get the jab, is that not a single government official and "medical experts" say a word about Natural immunity.

Why not?
It is a scientific fact that natural immunity is just as, perhaps even better than getting Vaccinated.
I had Covid, and I was a-symptomatic.
Studies have shown that your T and B cells will last your whole life.

I also know 2 people, who died days after receiving the jab, both from heart attacks.
My neighbour got goiter problems, and was ill for 3 weeks. She is still not as healthy as before the Jab.

My biggest concern is that I had Chemo Therapy, and this had an effect on my lungs, and whenevere I get the flue, it lasts for weeks.
Funny that Covid did not knock me out as did flue.

For the future...
Well it is bleak as long as Fauci and these superstar "Scientists" continues with their scare tactics.
it is now the 3 rd year we are living with covid, and there is no end in sight about the lies and propaganda these people are forcing down our throats.
After Delta, the newer strand Omicron, and the world goes bezerk.

Just like the flue, people took shots to be protected for the flue season every year, so will the governments force us to live under lockdowns and forced vaccines.

It will never end!
The money is to good to allow us to choose not to be vaccinated.

They do not follow the science.
All of a sudden children is also now mandated.
They dont care for your Natural immunity, because it somehow is a threat to their existence.

We will carry the sign, on our right hand (work) and our foreheads (Thoughts), and if you dont have the evidence to show you were vaccinated, you will not be able to buy anything, or think for yourself.
The Mark of the Beast taking your freedom away to be loyal servents of the powerfull forces ruling over us?
Perhaps!

If they do not allow Natural Immunity as a substetude for vaccines, what else might their reason me for this despotism?

First of all, how do you know that getting the vaccine actually caused their heart attack?

Secondly, in the States here we've had over 750,000 deaths due to covid, so even if those you know supposedly died from the shot, what about the millions worldwide that have died from covid? IOW, do the math.

Thirdly, if you had covid last year, chances are your antibody level is very low, according to relatively recent research on this.

Finally, as long as you continually get your "news" from Fox, you will continue operating in the dark on this and undoubtedly much more. Fox is so hypocritical because they require their staff to get the vaccines and to wear masks in at least some of their meetings.

 

[Jainarayan]

How is someone walking around, shedding virus amongst susceptible people, not a threat?
How do you not see this?

How can you assume that’s happening? How can you assume I’m a carrier or someone else is? You’re passing around information with no basis except your own personal opinion and prejudice.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

And the immunity wouldn't be permanent. People have been reïnfected.

If it's a cure I'm sure those who have not would need to be if it's true so far I looked only 59% in the US have vaxxed. How on earth would they do that? Majority of us never had COVID and a good percent would have low chance given where they live.

 

[metis]

This is all very, very simple: if you get the vaccine, you dramatically reduce your chance of death or serious illness, plus you reduce the chances of passing on covid to others.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The vaccine would still be useful to you.
After all, you consort with tenants, who
are the most disease ridden kind of human.

Disease ridden?

Who would want to listen to anyone about getting the vaccine if they are called disease ridden?

I hope I read that wrong

 

[Jainarayan]

plus you reduce the chances of passing on covid to others.

This is what irks me about these discussions. This is assuming that everyone is carrying the virus. Can someone explain to me why I have not gotten sick in almost 2 years. I haven’t had so much as a cough or a runny nose in all that time. Why has no one around me gotten sick in almost 2 years? Too many assumptions.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

This is what irks me about these discussions. This is assuming that everyone is carrying the virus. Can someone explain to me why I have not gotten sick in almost 2 years. I haven’t had so much as a cough or a runny nose in all that time. Why has no one around me gotten sick in almost 2 years? Too many assumptions.

When there is no change in routine and nothing we do to increase chances of catching COVID vaccination becomes personal choice not a necessity.

It's weird the same person who knew me four years ago thought I was fine but in the last year when I said I wasn't vaccinated I became contagious.

Fear leads to cognitive distortions such as generalizing and mind reading. It leads to anxiety and groupthink. Lots of assumptions involved and it's totally inappropriate to assume about people who live a thousand miles away.

 

[Valjean]

How can you assume that’s happening? How can you assume I’m a carrier or someone else is? You’re passing around information with no basis except your own personal opinion and prejudice.

I'm not assuming you're a carrier. I'm assuming your average Joe who becomes infected sheds virus. That's why it's contagious. That's how Joe caught it.
People can harbor and shed virus even if asymptomatic.

Now what here do you disagree with? Are you saying nobody really has it?

 

[Valjean]

This is what irks me about these discussions. This is assuming that everyone is carrying the virus. Can someone explain to me why I have not gotten sick in almost 2 years. I haven’t had so much as a cough or a runny nose in all that time. Why has no one around me gotten sick in almost 2 years? Too many assumptions.

This assumes nothing of the sort! How did you come up with that?

You haven't gotten sick because you were lucky. It's also possible you're naturally resistant to covid or had a subclinical case.
How does the fact that you haven't contracted it have any bearing on the fact that covid exists and is contagious? Do you dispute either of these?

 

[Valjean]

If it's a cure I'm sure those who have not would need to be if it's true so far I looked only 59% in the US have vaxxed. How on earth would they do that? Majority of us never had COVID and a good percent would have low chance given where they live.

Not sure what you're saying here. Reword?

 

[Spirit of Light]

I'm not assuming you're a carrier. I'm assuming your average Joe who becomes infected sheds virus. That's why it's contagious. That's how Joe caught it.
People can harbor and shed virus even if asymptomatic.

Now what here do you disagree with? Are you saying nobody really has it?

Do you have the virus?

 

[Revoltingest]

I hope I read that wrong

You missed the joke.

 

[Valjean]

Do you have the virus?

Apparently not. I just did a home test about an hour ago, since an acquaintance came down with it. Why do you ask?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

This is what irks me about these discussions. This is assuming that everyone is carrying the virus. Can someone explain to me why I have not gotten sick in almost 2 years. I haven’t had so much as a cough or a runny nose in all that time. Why has no one around me gotten sick in almost 2 years? Too many assumptions.

Exactly. I had to have a negative test to go to a concert the other week and I passed that. I don't have it. The paranoia is ridiculous.