Vaccine experience and poll

[Spirit of Light]

Apparently not. I just did a home test about an hour ago, since an acquaintance came down with it. Why do you ask?

It looked like you suggested others had it without knowing it themselves or that everyone has the virus.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You missed the joke.

Oh. Just making sure.

 

[Valjean]

It looked like you suggested others had it without knowing it them selvs or that everyone has the virus.

Others do have it without knowing it. That's one of the things that's spreading it.
Where did you get the idea I thought everyone had it????

 

[Spirit of Light]

Others do have it without knowing it. That's one of the things that's spreading it.
Where did you get the idea I thought everyone had it????

I said it sounded like you said that.

As a non vaccinated person, I don't have the virus.

 

[Valjean]

I said it sounded like you said that.

As a non vaccinated person, I don't have the virus.

Good. Try to stay safe.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Good. Try to stay safe.

I wear mask everywhere except for in my home

 

[metis]

This is what irks me about these discussions. This is assuming that everyone is carrying the virus. Can someone explain to me why I have not gotten sick in almost 2 years. I haven’t had so much as a cough or a runny nose in all that time. Why has no one around me gotten sick in almost 2 years? Too many assumptions.

I haven't assumed anything about you or anyone else here, but we do know how viruses can spread and we do know that the vaccines have been very effective but not perfectly so. A person can be a carrier of the virus but have 0 symptoms, and even one who has been vaccinated can still spread the virus as it nestles in the nasal pharynx but it tends to stay there for a shorter period of time than with the unvaccinated.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Not sure what you're saying here. Reword?

If natural immunity is a cure, I'm sure that majority of people in the States need to have had COVID for that to work. How would they do that? Majority of us have never had COVID and a good percent have a low chance of catching it given where we live.

 

[metis]

Exactly. I had to have a negative test to go to a concert the other week and I passed that. I don't have it. The paranoia is ridiculous.

Just because one may pass the test doesn't mean they can't get it, and large gatherings are often correctly referred to as being "super-spreaders".

It's still your choice, of course.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Just because one may pass the test doesn't mean they can't get it, and large gatherings are often correctly referred to as being "super-spreaders".

It's still your choice, of course.

Yes, it's my choice to choose to have fun and live my life. It was a great show.

 

[metis]

If natural immunity is a cure, I'm sure that majority of people in the States need to have had COVID for that to work.

It's only a temporary cure as one's antibodies dissipate over time. Studies have found that some who had it last year have 0 antibodies against that left after one year.

However, with that being said, your body if it's in good shape can "remember" what infected it and therefore ramp up antibody production more rapidly. For us "vintage" people, however, the risk is much higher as is those whom are immunity compromised.

 

[Jainarayan]

I'm not assuming you're a carrier. I'm assuming your average Joe who becomes infected sheds virus. That's why it's contagious. That's how Joe caught it.
People can harbor and shed virus even if asymptomatic.

Now what here do you disagree with? Are you saying nobody really has it?

I never said no one has it... another assumption from you. That said, I disagree with everything you post. Let’s start with “I'm assuming your average Joe who becomes infected sheds virus.” Let’s continue to suggesting I’m sociopathic from a previous post. Just own it so I don’t have to go scrolling, copying and pasting because I really hate that.

That was an assumption on your part, an assumption because you don’t know anything about me other than what I write. You assume that describes me. Let’s revisit that aforementioned average Joe you’re assuming about. There is a policy on the site about passing along covid misinformation, which is exactly what you’re doing assuming about average Joe.

You can’t know who the average Joe is. You can’t know just how many people carry the virus. The best you can infer is 48 million from the number of cases, reported, active, recovered, deaths. How do you account for the other 282 million Americans? How do you know 282 million Americans are carrying and shedding the virus? You don’t... you’re assuming. I asked before, explain why in almost two years I haven’t gotten sick. My birth certificate says Newark NJ, not Krypton.

Seriously, do you read what you write?

 

[metis]

Yes, it's my choice to choose to have fun and live my life. It was a great show.

Good, and never said nor implied otherwise.

BTW, I have fun as well but have minimal fear of serious infection or death. However, there are no guarantees.

 

[Jainarayan]

This assumes nothing of the sort! How did you come up with that?

You haven't gotten sick because you were lucky. It's also possible you're naturally resistant to covid or had a subclinical case.
How does the fact that you haven't contracted it have any bearing on the fact that covid exists and is contagious? Do you dispute either of these?

It assumes everything of the sort. I came up with it by reading your nonsensical assumptions. Moreover I never said it doesn’t exist or isn’t contagious or isn’t serious. By your thinking (this is what I read in your comment, as I’m not making an assumption), the other 282 million Americans were also lucky. Or conversely 48 million Americans were unlucky.

 

[metis]

I long have told our "kids" and grandkids that life is like a horse race, thus one of the best things to do was to try and put the odds in your favor.

 

[Valjean]

If natural immunity is a cure, I'm sure that majority of people in the States need to have had COVID for that to work. How would they do that? Majority of us have never had COVID and a good percent have a low chance of catching it given where we live.

Still missing your point.
Natural immunity as a cure? Who said that? SA Huguenot mentioned natural immunity, but not as a cure.

Natural immunity would be a preventive, not a cure, and we don't know enough about covid to differentiate natural immunity from natural symptomatic variations.
If someone has natural immunity, s/he won't get covid - period, so I don't understand what you mean by "...for that to work."

It doesn't matter that a low percentage of people will catch covid. Covid exists, and people do catch it. What percentage would have to catch it for you to be concerned?

 

[Valjean]

When there is no change in routine and nothing we do to increase chances of catching COVID vaccination becomes personal choice not a necessity.

It's weird the same person who knew me four years ago thought I was fine but in the last year when I said I wasn't vaccinated I became contagious.

Fear leads to cognitive distortions such as generalizing and mind reading. It leads to anxiety and groupthink. Lots of assumptions involved and it's totally inappropriate to assume about people who live a thousand miles away.

Are you saying the vaccine has no effect on the rate of transmission; that it does nothing?

 

[Jainarayan]

I haven't assumed anything about you or anyone else here, but we do know how viruses can spread and we do know that the vaccines have been very effective but not perfectly so. A person can be a carrier of the virus but have 0 symptoms, and even one who has been vaccinated can still spread the virus as it nestles in the nasal pharynx but it tends to stay there for a shorter period of time than with the unvaccinated.

No, not you personally making assumptions about anyone in particular. I may very well be an asymptotic carrier, but the odds look to be against that given that no one I’m in contact with on a regular basis show any signs either.

I’ve said it’s possible masks largely contributed to that, but masks don’t stop it from spreading when someone blows their nose into a tissue or handkerchief and then without washing their hands touches something else. Or rubs their eyes or scratches their nose under the mask and touches something... like produce and other grocery items.

I thought it was (pathetically) funny when a worker in Shop Rite said to put on the plastic gloves when using the spoons at the olive bar... the person that picked up the spoon gloved would no doubt be pawing through the heads of broccoli or packages of meat after removing the gloves.

I think there’s a lot of self-righteousness among those who are now vaccinated. Those very people may have been spreading the virus before getting jabbed. I love irony.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Still missing your point.
Natural immunity as a cure? Who said that? SA Huguenot mentioned natural immunity, but not as a cure.
Natural immunity would be a preventive, not a cure, and we don't know enough about covid to differentiate natural immunity from natural symptomatic variations.
If someone has natural immunity, s/he won't get covid - period, so I don't understand what you mean by "...for that to work."

It doesn't matter that a low percentage of people will catch covid. Covid exists, and people do catch it. What percentage would have to catch it for you to be concerned?

If everyone had natural immunity than no one would get COVID. I don't find that realistic unless everyone catches COVID to build up immunity against it. That's counterproductive.

I don't know. Here's a post about it.
About herd immunity
In this he says 94% of the population but of course it depends on a lot of things. A good majority.

How would we do that? The point is not to get COVID build immunity by letting people (I guess?) contract it.

 

[Valjean]

It assumes everything of the sort.I came up with it by reading your nonsensical assumptions

Challenge: Show me one post where anyone implied that everyone had it.
Please name one or two of my nonsensical assumptions.

Assumptions:
Covid exists -- not nonsense.
Covid's contagious, and people catch it. -- not nonsense.
Infected people usually shed virus. -- not nonsense.
Vaccination reduces transmission and severity of covid. -- not nonsense.

Moreover I never said it doesn’t exist or isn’t contagious or isn’t serious. By your thinking (this is what I read in your comment, as I’m not making an assumption), the other 282 million Americans were also lucky. Or conversely 48 million Americans were unlucky.

People do catch it.
They catch it from infected people shedding virus.
The infected people may or may not know their infected, they may or may not be showing symptoms. Vaccinated/masked people are less likely to contract covid, if exposed.
Vaccinated people usually have a milder presentation, if they are exposed.
What here do you disagree with?

If an infected person hangs out with other people, not all will catch it. Maybe none will catch it. Those who don't I call lucky.
Lucky is not catching it from an encounter with an infected person. Lucky is not encountering an infected person. Is this nonsense?