Vaccine experience and poll

[Unveiled Artist]

No. Only if my income and medical coverage are at risk. I don't believe I'm asymptomatic so no.

 

[Jainarayan]

Your statement is intensely anti-social. It borders on sociopathy.

I knew it wouldn't take long.

Your statements are intensely Alice in Wonderland. Come back through the looking glass.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

When someone's choice impacts my choice, I don't see why I should give way to their choices. I choose to be around fully vaccinated people and want those who refuse to stay away from me and my friends, to stay away from where I go.

It's also societies right to choose to limit the ability to spread disease and misery by those who choose to not take precautions.

Society has a right to stop people who choose to take a crap in public and those who choose to take public craps should not have their choice override other people's choices.

How does a person's choice in the US affect someone in say UK?

We can get upset at the idea others are putting us in danger but we can't prove it.

Everyone has a freedom to choose. Their opinions about vaccination are irrelevant.

 

[Shaul]

Did you intend to ask specifically about Covid vaccine?

 

[Valjean]

How does a person's choice in the US affect someone in say UK?

Does the virus respect borders?

We can get upset at the idea others are putting us in danger but we can't prove it.

So you think covid is not contagious? You think someone walking around shedding covid virus does not put others in danger?

Everyone had a freedom to choose. Their opinions about vaccination are irrelevant

Yes, everyone is free to choose to rob your house, ignore traffic signals and dump dog poo in the reservoir -- but is this proper behavior? Do people avoid these only because they're illegal, or do some people do so out of social obligation?

Opinions motivate behavior. Behavior can be beneficial or harmful, so, not irrelevant.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Two Pfizer shots. Just a sore arm for a couple of days both times, and one day of mild flu-like symptoms the second time around. Glad to be vaxxed.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Does the virus respect borders?

No. But I do find it better not upset oneself about people they don't know over vac status. Who wants to hold the world on their shoulders?

So you think covid is not contagious? You think someone walking around shedding covid virus does not put others in danger?

No. Never said that.

I think people who don't have covid aren't putting people in danger. I just don't worry myself over it.

Yes, everyone is free to choose to rob your house, ignore traffic signals and dump dog poo in the reservoir -- but is this proper behavior? Do people avoid these only because they're illegal, or do some people do so out of social obligation?

Opinions motivate behavior. Behavior can be beneficial or harmful, so, not irrelevant.

I don't see it that way. You have freedom to vac. I have freedom not to. The morality of it depends on the person. Some say it's moral to kill someone who killed others. I find that wrong. Everyone is different.

 

[Valjean]

No. But I do find it better not upset oneself about people they don't know over vac status. Who wants to hold the world on their shoulders?

Aren't we our brothers' keepers?
I'm not upsetting myself, just acting in a socially responsible manner, which I assume most people do. Don't most people have an internalized moral code, or at least an external, religious code? Isn't altruism necessary if we're going to live together in a safe, coöperative society?

Must people be forced to do the right thing?

No. Never said that.

That's the implication.

I think people who don't have covid aren't putting people in danger. I just don't worry myself over it.

I agree, but how does one tell whether s/he has covid? Many are asymptomatic, or presymptomatic, and still shedding virus.
One needn't 'worry oneself' to behave responsibly. Eusocial behavior should come automatically. It should have been enculturated in childhood.

I don't see it that way. You have freedom to vac. I have freedom not to. The morality of it depends on the person.

No. Morality is not causing harm. Mingling with others, unvaccinated, is potentially harmful, to you if you encounter an infected person; to others if you become infected unawares.

Some say it's moral to kill someone who killed others. I find that wrong. Everyone is different.

True, but the basics of moral, eusocial behavior are not that complicated. Endangering others unnecessarily is immoral.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Aren't we our brothers' keepers?
I'm not upsetting myself, just acting in a socially responsible manner, which I assume most people do. Don't most people have an internalized moral code, or at least an external, religious code? Isn't altruism necessary if we're going to live together in a safe, coöperative society?

Must people be forced to do the right thing?

I think we all do regardless of vac status.

Though I think you're judging people's character on vac status alone. I find that inappropriate when judging whether one is social responsible and have a moral code.

That's the implication

Please don't go off implications; they're not facts.

I agree, but how does one tell whether s/he has covid? Many are asymptomatic, or presymptomatic, and still shedding virus.
One needn't 'worry oneself' to behave responsibly. Eusocial behavior should come automatically. It should have been enculturated in childhood.

I only worry myself when the situation presents itself personally. I'm only confronted with COVID when I go online or hear a stranger say something or other of it.

The rest sounds more like personal opinion.

No. Morality is not causing harm. Mingling with others, unvaccinated, is potentially harmful, to you if you encounter an infected person; to others if you become infected unawares.

True. The issue isn't that fact. Potential is relative. Depends.

True, but the basics of moral, eusocial behavior are not that complicated. Endangering others unnecessarily is immoral.

But that's your opinion. I see endangering others as having COVID and passing it around, having a knife and trying to kill someone, that type of thing. If I don't know that person has COVID, I don't fret. If I don't see a knife and have no reason to be threatened (regardless what others tell me I'm supposed to feel and act), I don't fret.

It's pretty much it is what it is. There's a lot of factors in why we believe what we do. Most are opinions especially online.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I'm going to go get my first and only jab soon
How many of you already have it? How is it? I read people die for it so faking smile I'll go, I want to visit my friends again and have fun everyday again

I'm 73 -- have had two shots, with precisely zero side effects. Not even a slightly sore arm. And I'll be getting a booster on December 1, and I can tell you I'm really glad that I'm able to -- I look forward to it.

Oh, and I also had my flu shot -- high-dose for seniors, about 5 weeks ago.

I always get vaccines, and have never had any fear of them at all. Nor have I ever had even the slightest side effect.

 

[Leahpolitan_icecream]

I don't have it, possibly won't get it as it's been a while (meaning I haven't gotten it the whole pandemic). I consider myself as just observing the world on this matter. I wear the mask (sometimes) and avoid crowds, take my D3 and have so far avoided the virus, not much else.

Edit: changed vote to I won't, I don't plan on it ever.

What is D3? won't getting it help people

 

[Leahpolitan_icecream]

Nope, don't have it, not going to unless absolutely pushed to the wall. I'm not opposed to, or will discourage, anyone else getting it, just not me. My husband asked if I thought he should. I said it's his decision, I won't tell him yes or no. He did get it, and I said that was never a problem.

Why don't you like it?

 

[Leahpolitan_icecream]

I got the 2 Pfizer and the booster. I had mild side-effects that passed after a day. My wife had 3 Moderna and had a similar experience.

Is one better?

 

[Leahpolitan_icecream]

It's like any other vaccine jab. Your arm's a little sore the next day, and that's it.

I don't see the controversy. It's not a drug or chemical. It won't affect your body chemistry or physiology. It's just an immune app; a bit of new code, like the new code your B and T lymphocytes generate whenever they encounter a new antigen -- ie: every day.

Thank you for explaining it

 

[Leahpolitan_icecream]

I'm 73 -- have had two shots, with precisely zero side effects. Not even a slightly sore arm. And I'll be getting a booster on December 1, and I can tell you I'm really glad that I'm able to -- I look forward to it.

Oh, and I also had my flu shot -- high-dose for seniors, about 5 weeks ago.

I always get vaccines, and have never had any fear of them at all. Nor have I ever had even the slightest side effect.

I never got all shots for myself you sound strong

 

[Leahpolitan_icecream]

Did you intend to ask specifically about Covid vaccine?

Yes

 

[Jainarayan]

Why don't you like it?

No particular reason. I don’t get flu or pneumonia shots either. I haven’t had as much as a sneeze or runny nose in over two years. I don’t hold with the idea that I could be endangering others. I don’t feel the need to poke the bear, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.

 

[sun rise]

Is one better?

I don't have a medical answer. But apparently the Moderna is more protective from what I've read.

 

[Debater Slayer]

No particular reason. I don’t get flu or pneumonia shots either. I haven’t had as much as a sneeze or runny nose in over two years. I don’t hold with the idea that I could be endangering others. I don’t feel the need to poke the bear, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.

There are people who either can't get vaccinated due to being among a tiny minority who have medically disqualifying reasons or are still at considerable risk of severe illness or death even after vaccination. These include the very elderly (those who are 80 or older, for instance) and people with immunocompromising conditions (including some whose immune systems are weakened by chemotherapy or other necessary treatments).

In my opinion, anyone, vaccinated or not, should do their best to take precautionary measures around such people. Just as I wouldn't want to lose someone because someone else wasn't careful enough around them (e.g., by getting too close to them while not wearing a mask), I wouldn't want to cause that for someone else either.

I'm planning to keep wearing my mask and maintain social distancing as much as possible even when I get my jab (which I've been waiting to get for months now). I think most people who act like absolutely nothing is happening just because they got vaccinated are either being misinformed or irresponsible. Being vaccinated isn't a free pass to forgo medical advice in ways that could endanger others.

 

[Debater Slayer]

But that's your opinion. I see endangering others as having COVID and passing it around, having a knife and trying to kill someone, that type of thing. If I don't know that person has COVID, I don't fret. If I don't see a knife and have no reason to be threatened (regardless what others tell me I'm supposed to feel and act), I don't fret.

There's no way to know for sure that someone has COVID--or almost any other viral disease, for that matter--unless you medically test them. Since we can't do that but do know that COVID is highly transmissible, it's reasonable to treat most people as potential carriers unless you have a way of being sure they aren't.

That's why medical consensus isn't to wear masks or socially distance only around certain people but around most. You and anyone else can be a carrier and not know it.