Vance opines on a grim 'Fact of Life' in the wake of the Georgia shootings

[Jayhawker Soule]

The New York Times reports:

• Vance Calls School Shooting a Grim 'Fact of Life' as He Backs Increased Security
• How Georgia's Gun Laws Compare With Those of Other States

In the latter, The Times notes ...

The state does not have universal background checks for gun purchases, safe storage laws or a so-called red-flag law — measures instituted elsewhere in response to gun violence.​

MAGA continues to disgust.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The New York Times reports:

• Vance Calls School Shooting a Grim 'Fact of Life' as He Backs Increased Security
• How Georgia's Gun Laws Compare With Those of Other States

In the latter, The Times notes ...

The state does not have universal background checks for gun purchases, safe storage laws or a so-called red-flag law — measures instituted elsewhere in response to gun violence.​

MAGA continues to disgust.

Probably because the left is always blaming firearms when the real problem is something else.

I think you're old enough to acknowledge that these problems just didn't exist in the past, and firearms laws and regulations were even less oppressive then as opposed to today.

Hell back then you could have your rifles on a gun rack in the window of your pickup truck in the school parking lot without any worries or care.

No the guns were never the problem. Something else is.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Probably because the left is always blaming firearms when the real problem is something else.

I think you're old enough to acknowledge that these problems just didn't exist in the past, and firearms laws and regulations were even less oppressive then as opposed to today.

Hell back then you could have your rifles on a gun rack in the window of your pickup truck in the school parking lot without any worries or care.

No the guns were never the problem. Something else is.

LOL It's the guns. and their easy availability. And gun fetishism.
You're the only country in the developed world with this problem.
It's the guns.

And it's not really a new thing either.

List of school shootings in the United States (before 2000) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

List of mass shootings in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

US mass shootings, 1982–2024: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

The full data set from our in-depth investigation into mass shootings.

www.motherjones.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/interactive/school-shootings-database/

 

[Regiomontanus]

Probably because the left is always blaming firearms when the real problem is something else.

I think you're old enough to acknowledge that these problems just didn't exist in the past, and firearms laws and regulations were even less oppressive then as opposed to today.

Hell back then you could have your rifles on a gun rack in the window of your pickup truck in the school parking lot without any worries or care.

No the guns were never the problem. Something else is.

I think we need background checks and other common sense laws. But there is some truth to what you say. When I was in 4th grade (!) our school had a gun range in the basement. There we learned gun safety and shot rifles at targets. I don't remember school shootings back then - something has indeed changed.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I think we need background checks and other common sense laws. But there is some truth to what you say. When I was in 4th grade (!) our school had a gun range in the basement. There we learned gun safety and shot rifles at targets. I don't remember school shootings back then - something has indeed changed.

List of school shootings in the United States (before 2000) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Twilight Hue]

I think we need background checks and other common sense laws. But there is some truth to what you say. When I was in 4th grade (!) our school had a gun range in the basement. There we learned gun safety and shot rifles at targets. I don't remember school shootings back then - something has indeed changed.

Younger people don't understand this , but us older people, we know what the deal was and saw with own own eyes how things were and how it is now.

School age youth were no where near as psychopathic as they are now , and the problem is what instilled and triggered that psychopathic state.

Gun regulations are a dangerous band aid that threatens constitutional rights and does very little to nothing to tackle the real problem.

 

[Regiomontanus]

List of school shootings in the United States (before 2000) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Thanks for that link, informative. So in the sixties, on that page, the number of deaths for the shootings were mostly 0 or 1, aside from a 5 in 1966. Compare those numbers to what has happened here since Columbine. Not at all comparable.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

No the guns were never the problem. Something else is.

True, and that "something else" is the despicable resistance of MAGA and its followers to measures that seek to impel, to the extent possible, responsible gun ownership. You are complicit in the slaughter of children.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Younger people don't understand this , but us older people, we know what the deal was and saw with own own eyes how things were and how it is now.

School age youth were no where near as psychopathic as they are now , and the problem is what instilled and triggered that psychopathic state.

List of school shootings in the United States (before 2000) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Gun regulations are a dangerous band aid that threatens constitutional rights and does very little to nothing to tackle the real problem.

Then it's super weird how all the other countries in the world that had one mass shooting, and then enacted gun control laws didn't go on to have a whole bunch more mass shootings like the US does. Weird thing, that.

 

[Regiomontanus]

Younger people don't understand this , but us older people, we know what the deal was and saw with own own eyes how things were and how it is now.

School age youth were no where near as psychopathic as they are now , and the problem is what instilled and triggered that psychopathic state.

Gun regulations are a dangerous band aid that threatens constitutional rights and does very little to nothing to tackle the real problem.

I agree with you, aside from your last sentence

 

[SkepticThinker]

Thanks for that link, informative. So in the sixties, on that page, the number of deaths for the shootings were mostly 0 or 1, aside from a 5 in 1966. Compare those numbers to what has happened here since Columbine. Not at all comparable.

It still happened more frequently than it should.

You guys are talking as though this is a brand new thing that has just developed in recent years, and it isn't. Mass shootings have increased, sure, but they've always been a thing, apparently.

 

[Secret Chief]

Then it's super weird how all the other countries in the world that had one mass shooting, and then enacted gun control laws didn't go on to have a whole bunch more mass shootings like the US does. Weird thing, that.

There are regular school mass shootings all around the globe, but it doesn't get reported by the media because they are all socialist, leftwing, anti-freedom, oppressive, complicit government backed organisations.

 

[Pogo]

There are regular school mass shootings all around the globe, but it doesn't get reported by the media because they are all socialist, leftwing, anti-freedom, oppressive, complicit government backed organisations.

Did you forget your smilie or do you actually have evidence of this?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Thanks for that link, informative. So in the sixties, on that page, the number of deaths for the shootings were mostly 0 or 1, aside from a 5 in 1966. Compare those numbers to what has happened here since Columbine. Not at all comparable.

It's easy to see what those comparisons show is that firearms are not the issue as the country alway had its firearms , and even more so in the past.

 

[Regiomontanus]

It still happened more frequently than it should.

You guys are talking as though this is a brand new thing that has just developed in recent years, and it isn't. Mass shootings have increased, sure, but they've always been a thing, apparently.

Yes, where there are guns, there will be shootings. I loath the NRA, but it is true that guns do not kill people. People kill people. Wasn't there just a 'major stabbing incident' in Germany the other day?

If everyone accepted Jesus the Christ as their Lord and savior, there would be no murders, IMHO. There is something about modern society that is making things worse (as I said, I think it the decline of religion in society).

I pray for my country.

 

[Twilight Hue]

There are regular school mass shootings all around the globe, but it doesn't get reported by the media because they are all socialist, leftwing, anti-freedom, oppressive, complicit government backed organisations.

Part of it because they were almost always in the inner city where very little attention is being paid , it only became a focus of attention when those crimes migrated out into the suburbs.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yes, where there are guns, there will be shootings. I loath the NRA, but it is true that guns do not kill people. People kill people. Wasn't there just a 'major stabbing incident' in Germany the other day?

I'm gonna bow out of the conversation if this is the direction it's going. I'm tired of this stale talking point.
People kill people with guns. America has a mass shooting problem that no other developed country comes anywhere close to.

Time to get real.

If everyone accepted Jesus the Christ as their Lord and savior, there would be no murders, IMHO. There is something about modern society that is making things worse (as I said, I think it the decline of religion in society).

Except for those pesky Crusades.
And witch trials.
Those folks were really into torturing and murdering people.

Then there's the Civil War. Lots of Christians involved in that one.
Or the Rwandan genocide where the priests were all up in committing crimes against humanity.


The world used to actually be much more violent than it is currently.

History and the Decline of Human Violence

In a magisterial new book, Harvard psychologist Steven Pinker argues that humanity's "better angels" are triumphing

www.scientificamerican.com

I pray for my country.

I'd prefer someone take some actual action to do something.

 

[Yerda]

Probably because the left is always blaming firearms when the real problem is something else.

Easy access to firearms for the unhinged?

 

[Secret Chief]

Did you forget your smilie or do you actually have evidence of this?

Sorry, I thought the weight of sarcasm was enough... but then it is hard to tell on RF sometimes...

 

[Twilight Hue]

Easy access to firearms for the unhinged?

Well givin the situation as it is presently, I did mention some reasonable restrictions would be acceptable in past postings that wouldn't violate the 2nd amendment.