Vatican Blasts Trans Surgery, Surogacy, Etc

[Kathryn]

There were a little over 59,000 reported cases of sexual abuse of children in 2021 (the latest year I could find info on). There were around 72 million children in the US in 2021. Even if the stats are highly unrepresented, say there are TEN TIMES the number of sexual abuse victims, that's 590,000 kids out of 72,000,000. That's less than 1 percent of kids., and the vast majority of those were sexually abused by THEIR MARRIED PARENTS.

Who Are the Perpetrators of Child Sexual Abuse and What Are the Signs?

Did you know 93% of all child sexual abuse victims know their abuser? Here's a look at the predatory behaviors often exhibited by perpetrators.

www.campussafetymagazine.com

 

[Kathryn]

And I do find it odd that I cannot seem to find stats that state the percentage of perpetrators.

 

[Revoltingest]

There were a little over 59,000 reported cases of sexual abuse of children in 2021 (the latest year I could find info on). There were around 72 million children in the US in 2021. Even if the stats are highly unrepresented, say there are TEN TIMES the number of sexual abuse victims, that's 590,000 kids out of 72,000,000. That's less than 1 percent of kids., and the vast majority of those were sexually abused by THEIR MARRIED PARENTS.

Who Are the Perpetrators of Child Sexual Abuse and What Are the Signs?

Did you know 93% of all child sexual abuse victims know their abuser? Here's a look at the predatory behaviors often exhibited by perpetrators.

www.campussafetymagazine.com

That's a lot of perspective.
Does it diminish the crimes of the Catholic Church
systematically enabling pedophile & ephebophile
priests sexually molesting children?

 

[Kathryn]

Oh now I know more than I ever even wanted to know about sexual abuse of children! For instance, did you know that the most severe abuse tends strongly to be from family members? Victims and Perpetrators of Child Sexual Abuse: Abusive Contact and Penetration Experiences

 

[Kathryn]

That's a lot of perspective.
Does it diminish the crimes of the Catholic Church
systematically enabling pedophile & ephebophile
priests sexually molesting children?

Nope, not one iota. The Church is made up of all types of people, involved in it for a wide range of reasons. Some of them are pedophiles. Hey, our diocese had one! He was a Hispanic priest, who had an affair with a 14 year old Hispanic girl. He was definitely ousted from the priesthood, and he should have been. In fact, he's serving a life sentence for child sexual assault.

GUSTAVO CUELLO: Ex-Tyler priest serving life sentence for sex abuse

In 1997, former Rev. Gustavo DeJesus Cuello, a South American who was serving as the priest at Our Lady of Guadalupe in Tyler, was arrested and charged with sexually abusing a girl under the age of 14. His case is the only time a Tyler priest has been convicted of sexual abuse.

www.cbs19.tv

 

[Revoltingest]

Nope, not one iota. The Church is made up of all types of people, involved in it for a wide range of reasons. Some of them are pedophiles. Hey, our diocese had one! He was a Hispanic priest, who had an affair with a 14 year old Hispanic girl. He was definitely ousted from the priesthood, and he should have been. In fact, he's serving a life sentence for child sexual assault.

GUSTAVO CUELLO: Ex-Tyler priest serving life sentence for sex abuse

In 1997, former Rev. Gustavo DeJesus Cuello, a South American who was serving as the priest at Our Lady of Guadalupe in Tyler, was arrested and charged with sexually abusing a girl under the age of 14. His case is the only time a Tyler priest has been convicted of sexual abuse.

www.cbs19.tv

I don't see the pedo problem quite the same way,
ie, it's not that some exist. It's that those who
exist have been protected & enabled by the Church.

 

[Kathryn]

I don't see the pedo problem quite the same way,
ie, it's not that some exist. It's that those who
exist have been protected & enabled by the Church.

Any recent links? Thanks.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

About ten percent of priests are child molesters. About ten percent of teachers are child molesters. About ten percent of Protestant ministers are child molesters. About ten percent of the population are child molesters. It happens. I'm sorry it does. However, not being a child molester myself, I'm not sure there's much I can do about it, other than try to protect my grand kids.

The Vatican could not harbor them, not shelter them, not defend them and blame them instead of the victims. But instead they demand that priests not be mandatory reporters like everybody else who works with kids amd serves the community at large (the wording of laws in some states, like Indiana, makes all citizens a mandatory reporters). But no, they want to do what shields molesters and enables them to hurt more children.

 

[Kathryn]

The Vatican could not harbor them, not shelter them, not defend them and blame them instead of the victims. But instead they demand that priests not be mandatory reporters like everybody else who works with kids amd serves the community at large (the wording of laws in some states, like Indiana, makes all citizens a mandatory reporters).

Separating Facts About Clergy Abuse From Fiction

Quality research and reason need to take precedence over emotion if we truly want to keep children and families safe from sexual abuse in the the Church or anywhere.

www.psychologytoday.com

Look, the Catholic church is huge. Of course the NUMBER of priests is going to be higher, because the number of catholics is higher. Let's look at percentages. I was actually wrong - I stated that about ten percent of Catholic priests were child sexual abusers and it's actually at 4 percent according to this article, which is a lower percentage than many other professions.

This is old news - as of 2002 the Church has put many stop gaps in place. Read up on it in the article above.

 

[Revoltingest]

Any recent links? Thanks.

I've not looked up any.
Are you interested in the current
state of affairs, or in current articles
about past plus current affairs?

 

[Kathryn]

Here's the mandatory reporting requirements by state:

Mandatory Reporting Laws by State 2024

worldpopulationreview.com

 

[Kathryn]

I've not looked up any.
Are you interested in the current
state of affairs, or in current articles
about past plus current affairs?

I'm most interested in the current state of affairs. I mean, it's not that abuse prior to 2002 wasn't horrible, but let's stick to current affairs.

 

[Kathryn]

The anti Catholic crowd is out in force tonight! Oh well, I lived in Texas for goodness sake for 30 years, I can certainly handle this gang.

 

[Kathryn]

Speaking of anti- Catholics, I am watching The Tudors again, which is very interesting.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Oh now I know more than I ever even wanted to know about sexual abuse of children! For instance, did you know that the most severe abuse tends strongly to be from family members? Victims and Perpetrators of Child Sexual Abuse: Abusive Contact and Penetration Experiences

And? We're talking about an organization that wants to point its finger at those doing no harm to anyone and say this behavior (that according to some here the Pope shouldn't evem speak on it because it doesn't involve him) is a violation of human dignity, yet the Vatican itself does not have a history of leading by example, and that includes today. The Vatican has slaughtered countless people. The Vatican is responsible for AIDs being such a problem in Africa. Kill them all and let god sort them out comes from a Papal edict. They locked a man up in house for seeing things for how they really are and speaking the truth. They supported the Nazis. Amd today they help protect some of the worst our species has to offer, enables them to hurt again and shields them from legal consequences.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Speaking of anti- Catholics, I am watching The Tudors again, which is very interesting.

Its not anti-Catholic to say the hypocrites need to mind their own business. Even Jeses tells them to shut up and tend to the beam in their own eye.

 

[Revoltingest]

Separating Facts About Clergy Abuse From Fiction

Quality research and reason need to take precedence over emotion if we truly want to keep children and families safe from sexual abuse in the the Church or anywhere.

www.psychologytoday.com

Look, the Catholic church is huge. Of course the NUMBER of priests is going to be higher, because the number of catholics is higher. Let's look at percentages. I was actually wrong - I stated that about ten percent of Catholic priests were child sexual abusers and it's actually at 4 percent according to this article, which is a lower percentage than many other professions.

This is old news - as of 2002 the Church has put many stop gaps in place. Read up on it in the article above.

I noticed some problems with the article.

1) The author doesn't disclose that he himself is Catholic.
This is a significant risk factor for bias.

Thomas G. Plante - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

2) He addresses the % of group populations who
molest children, but not the number molested
per perpetrator. Given the Catholic Church's
history of protecting & enabling molesters, it
could be that priests molest greater numbers.

3) He claims....
"While research does suggest that the percentage of Catholic priests who are homosexual is much higher than found in the general population, we know that sexual orientation is not a risk factor for pedophilia."
This assumes that priests in the Church environment
would behave the same as the general public.
He offers an explanation....
"Homosexual men may be sexually attracted to other men but not to children."
I question whether this applies fully to priests.
If the priests see men as off limits because they
cannot be controlled to remain silent, then
children could be seen as an outlet. So claiming
otherwise should be backed up with research.

4) "Research has found that most of the sexual abuse perpetrators didn’t consider themselves homosexual at all but were “situational generalists” (i.e., they abused whoever they had access to and control over, boys or girls)."
This appears to attack his own prior claim.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

4) "Research has found that most of the sexual abuse perpetrators didn’t consider themselves homosexual at all but were “situational generalists” (i.e., they abused whoever they had access to and control over, boys or girls)."
This appears to attack his own prior claim.

Sounds like prison.

 

[Kathryn]

I noticed some problems with the article.

1) The author doesn't disclose that he himself is Catholic.
This is a significant risk factor for bias.

Thomas G. Plante - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

2) He addresses the % of group populations who
molest children, but not the number molested
per perpetrator. Given the Catholic Church's
history of protecting & enabling molesters, it
could be that priests molest greater numbers.

3) He claims....
"While research does suggest that the percentage of Catholic priests who are homosexual is much higher than found in the general population, we know that sexual orientation is not a risk factor for pedophilia."
This assumes that priests in the Church environment
would behave the same as the general public.
He offers an explanation....
"Homosexual men may be sexually attracted to other men but not to children."
I question whether this applies fully to priests.
If the priests see men as off limits because they
cannot be controlled to remain silent, then
children could be seen as an outlet. So claiming
otherwise should be backed up with research.

4) "Research has found that most of the sexual abuse perpetrators didn’t consider themselves homosexual at all but were “situational generalists” (i.e., they abused whoever they had access to and control over, boys or girls)."
This appears to attack his own prior claim.

Like I said, show me some recent articles or links.

 

[Kathryn]

Its not anti-Catholic to say the hypocrites need to mind their own business. Even Jeses tells them to shut up and tend to the beam in their own eye.

I'm not saying this.

Its not anti-Catholic to say the hypocrites need to mind their own business. Even Jeses tells them to shut up and tend to the beam in their own eye.