Vatican Blasts Trans Surgery, Surogacy, Etc

[ppp]

Please grow up. You're almost twice my age.

I directly addressed the specific objections that you raised about people criticizing the RCC for their actions. It's you who is lashing out at me for disagreeing with you. And not even a considered lashing out at what I said, but merely inarticulate scoffing.

You take offense at criticism of the RCC for no other reason that someone dares to criticize the institution. That's irrational. There are no organizations that are beyond criticism.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I directly addressed the specific objections that you raised about people criticizing the RCC for their actions. It's you who is lashing out at me for disagreeing with you. And not even a considered lashing out at what I said, but merely inarticulate scoffing.

You take offense at criticism of the RCC for no other reason that someone dares to criticize the institution. That's irrational. There are no organizations that are beyond criticism.

I'm not a Catholic and don't care if anyone criticizes it. Hell, I do, too. I just don't get the hatred from people who aren't effected by it. It just seems like an excuse to bash. I could bash it, too, but I don't see the reason as I'm no longer a member of that religion, am no longer beholden to their doctrines, and am happy where I'm at.

Anti-Catholicism is a specific form of bigotry, however, and It's common in parts of America.

Anti-Catholicism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I would have to be an idiot to take my opinion on how best to go about supplying electricity to a city over that of a consensus civil or electrical engineer.

By harnessing all the hot air in Alex Jones and Glenn Beck?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

In some cases tragedies have occurred when people went to church.

I can still remember the nightmares, including how I emotionally and physically felt, of being sentenced to Hell.
Christians love to mention how good a "true" church is, but soon as you mention how can be also be traumatizing to people then it just can't be but it must be a bad faith church. But the largest denominations and most Christians in America trace their roots to Revival preachers and Circuit Riders who preyed on people's emotions and teaching we Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God.
But even before the emotional frenzies that would have been dismissed as lunacy in past ages was embraced, Thomas Paine did write that a religion that shocks the mind of a child cannot be true.
And then there's Catholicism, a top producer of morbid, gruesome, grotesque, disturbing and macabre art if that says anything about the religion itself.

 

[ppp]

I'm not a Catholic and don't care if anyone criticizes it. Hell, I do, too.

You are expressing strong opinions using words that carry significant emotional weight. The language associated with not caring tends to be more clinical and less personal in nature. But even so, why shouldn't you care about your own positions? Feeling emotions is not a bad thing. It is not a weakness. Maybe you come from an environment where people try to weaponize your feeling against you.

I just don't get the hatred from people who aren't effected by it. It just seems like an excuse to bash.

I think that you are being a little hyperbolic. While I have certainly experienced hate before, it tends to require a lot more direct personal interaction with me, and has invariably focused upon the actions of a single individual. I also find hate to be unsustainable for any longer than a week or two. It takes far too much energy and attention.

I could bash it, too, but I don't see the reason as I'm no longer a member of that religion, am no longer beholden to their doctrines, and am happy where I'm at.

You keep referring to people who are not members of a given religion who oppose the harmful policies and actions of that religion as though they are doing something unreasonable. As though we should restrict our humanism to only the humans that belong to the demographics to which I belong. That makes no sense to me.

 

[ppp]

By harnessing all the hot air in Alex Jones and Glenn Beck?

Do you want Cthulhu? Because that is how you get Cthulhu!

 

[ppp]

I can still remember the nightmares, including how I emotionally and physically felt, of being sentenced to Hell.
Christians love to mention how good a "true" church is, but soon as you mention how can be also be traumatizing to people then it just can't be but it must be a bad faith church. But the largest denominations and most Christians in America trace their roots to Revival preachers and Circuit Riders who preyed on people's emotions and teaching we Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God.
But even before the emotional frenzies that would have been dismissed as lunacy in past ages was embraced, Thomas Paine did write that a religion that shocks the mind of a child cannot be true.
And then there's Catholicism, a top producer of morbid, gruesome, grotesque, disturbing and macabre art if that says anything about the religion itself.

I was fortunate enough to avoid the Hell trauma. My initial rejection reasons were almost purely intellectual. But I have plenty of friends who were in your boat. Some still are.

Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God was such a a self-reveal for Christianity.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Considering that the Pope seeks some control over
non-Catholics,

Are you kidding me? While the pope may hope that his words have persuasive value, there is absolutely no indication that he believes he has authority over non-Catholics.

 

[Revoltingest]

Are you kidding me?

No.
Are you?

While the pope may hope that his words have persuasive value, there is absolutely no indication that he believes he has authority over non-Catholics.

He advocates for public policy in countries
with secular governments to control in
accordance with his religious values.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

No.
Are you?


He advocates for public policy in countries
with secular governments to control in
accordance with his religious values.

Yes, by using PERSUASION, not by asserting authority.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, by using PERSUASION, not by asserting authority.

Persuading governments to control
by threatening and using violence
under color of authority.
The Pope seeks control.

 

[ppp]

Are you kidding me? While the pope may hope that his words have persuasive value, there is absolutely no indication that he believes he has authority over non-Catholics.

He has de facto authority over non-Catholics in every country where the laws enact RCC doctrine, edicts, and policies. While there is certainly a gradient of authority it is a fact that there are a lot of governments that act as the enforcement arm of RCC rules. He would be a fool to not recognize that fact. Fortunately for humanity that influence is gradually eroding.

 

[Rival]

He has de facto authority over non-Catholics in every country where the laws enact RCC doctrine, edicts, and policies. While there is certainly a gradient of authority it is a fact that there are a lot of governments that act as the enforcement arm of RCC rules. He would be a fool to not recognize that fact. Fortunately for humanity that influence is gradually eroding.

And where does that?

 

[ppp]

And where does that?

I don't understand the question.

 

[Rival]

I don't understand the question.

Which state enacts Catholic doctrine as law?

 

[Revoltingest]

And where does that?

USA.
6 of 9 Catholic SCOTUS justices.

 

[Rival]

USA.
6 of 9 Catholic SCOTUS justices.

Examples? I'd hardly call it a Catholic country.

 

[Revoltingest]

Examples? I'd hardly call it a Catholic country.

I've more.
Their effect is sweeping control.

 

[ppp]

Which state enacts Catholic doctrine as law?

Why didn't you just google for an example? The Philippines prohibits divorce. Brazilian tax laws strongly reward Alms.

 

[metis]

But that's called an institutional religion.

I mean, really that's just religion.

I can't see how as I didn't even mention religion in this context.

I don't know but that Westerners seem to think everything ought be an individual choice, or theology and religion has no part in it.

I never said nor implied that.

If you are religious you don't always have free choice and you are bound by what your religion teaches, that's the way it's always been.

Depends on how one looks at it. If one uses religion as if a set of blinders, that's their choice, but it ain't mine.