Veda people never lived in Arctic. Did they?

[paarsurrey]

Namaskaram Parrasurrey ji
Veda was revealed to entire of this earth planet ,

Thanks and regards

 

[paarsurrey]

I believe the Vedas were written down in India.
What difference does it make?

Please read the following verses from Veda:

Yajurveda CHAPTER VI

18. O warlike hero, may thy mind in battle be filled with know-
ledge, and thy breath be united to life's force. O hero, thou art the
killer of foes. May the fire of righteous indignation created by battle
mature thee. Facing millions of the army of enemies, let not the heat
generated by battle disturb thee.

May thou get refreshing drinks to fight in war with the velocity
of wind, and speed of the sun.

19. Oh warriors, drinkers of water, drink refreshing water. O
warriors expert in statesmanship, follow the policy of heroic action.
O general, thou shouldst stop the foes in the air. With thy martial
and commanding voice spread thy soldiers in all regions, by-regions,
fore-regions, back-regions, and regions in which the enemy goes, and
conquer the foes, by slaying their warriors.

20. O destroyer of the strength of the enemy, O general endowed
with beautiful knowledge, shine forth in the battle-field subduing all
https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt

If Veda/Yajurveda was revealed in India, as one says, then please explain who were those enemies with whom the Veda People of the time engaged in battle/war ? Please
And where it took place and the approximate timem if possible? Please
Kindly identify them. Please

Regards

 

[Kirran]

Please read the following verses from Veda:

Yajurveda CHAPTER VI

18. O warlike hero, may thy mind in battle be filled with know-
ledge, and thy breath be united to life's force. O hero, thou art the
killer of foes. May the fire of righteous indignation created by battle
mature thee. Facing millions of the army of enemies, let not the heat
generated by battle disturb thee.

May thou get refreshing drinks to fight in war with the velocity
of wind, and speed of the sun.

19. Oh warriors, drinkers of water, drink refreshing water. O
warriors expert in statesmanship, follow the policy of heroic action.
O general, thou shouldst stop the foes in the air. With thy martial
and commanding voice spread thy soldiers in all regions, by-regions,
fore-regions, back-regions, and regions in which the enemy goes, and
conquer the foes, by slaying their warriors.

20. O destroyer of the strength of the enemy, O general endowed
with beautiful knowledge, shine forth in the battle-field subduing all
https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt

If Veda/Yajurveda was revealed in India, as one says, then please explain who were those enemies with whom the Veda People of the time engaged in battle/war ? Please
And where it took place and the approximate timem if possible? Please
Kindly identify them. Please

Regards

Seems very much to me as if it not addressing some particular circumstance but is speaking generally.

What is the import of this?

 

[ratikala]

Namaskaram Ji

Thanks and regards

sri-bhagavan uvaca
imam vivasvate yogam
proktavan aham avyayam
vivasvan manave praha
manur iksvakave 'bravit​

The Blessed Lord said: I instructed this imperishable science of yoga to the sun-god, Vivasvān, and Vivasvān instructed it to Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in turn instructed it to Ikṣvāku. ........Bhagavad Gita CH ..4 V ..1

This imperishable science is Veda , ......
Manu as is said above was father of mankind , Maharaj Iksvaku was son of Manu and first ruler of this earth planet , this divine truth spoken By Sri Krsna himself to Vivisvan was revealed in turn to Manu some 120, 400,000 years ago ....Vivisvan being the Sun God acts on the behest of the Supreme personality Sri Krsna , instructing Manu , he thus thus instructs all the Ksatriya decendants of Iksvaku , ....

no where does it mention individual teritories only that this ''supreme Science'' was instructed to first King of this entire earth planet , .......




​

 

[ratikala]

Namaskaram Ji

Veda wasn't revealed.

wasnt revealed ??? .......please read post above , .....

yes true , Veda is eternal and self existing , but we all need Guru to reveal this self existing truth

 

[paarsurrey]

Namaskaram Ji

sri-bhagavan uvaca
imam vivasvate yogam
proktavan aham avyayam
vivasvan manave praha
manur iksvakave 'bravit​

The Blessed Lord said: I instructed this imperishable science of yoga to the sun-god, Vivasvān, and Vivasvān instructed it to Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in turn instructed it to Ikṣvāku. ........Bhagavad Gita CH ..4 V ..1

This imperishable science is Veda , ......
Manu as is said above was father of mankind , Maharaj Iksvaku was son of Manu and first ruler of this earth planet , this divine truth spoken By Sri Krsna himself to Vivisvan was revealed in turn to Manu some 120, 400,000 years ago ....Vivisvan being the Sun God acts on the behest of the Supreme personality Sri Krsna , instructing Manu , he thus thus instructs all the Ksatriya decendants of Iksvaku , ....

no where does it mention individual teritories only that this ''supreme Science'' was instructed to first King of this entire earth planet , .......​

Presently we are discussing Veda only. Please
Regards

 

[ratikala]

Namaskaram Paarasurrey ji

Presently we are discussing Veda only. Please
Regards

this Supreme truth refered to in the Gita this is Veda , ......

you asked question ''Veda people''?

I am simply illustrating the lenght of time Veda has been existant on this planet , .....

it is pointless to think that Veda only existed from the point that it was put into writen form , as this only happened in this later yuga when Mankind became forgetfull and could no longer retain Knowledge in the Heart due to the increasing material attatchment and impurity as yugas progress , in Satya Yuga everyone was pure enough not to need to learn prayer or ritual as praise came naturaly from the heart due to pure comprehension and knowledge of God , ....

 

[Jainarayan]

If Veda/Yajurveda was revealed in India, as one says, then please explain who were those enemies with whom the Veda People of the time engaged in battle/war ?

That's a totally nonsensical (at the very least) comment because there have been people in India for over 100,000 years. Genetic tests show it. India was fairly bursting with people.

 

[paarsurrey]

Paarsurrey Post of Yesterday at 6:28 AM#42

That's a totally nonsensical (at the very least) comment because there have been people in India for over 100,000 years. Genetic tests show it. India was fairly bursting with people.

I don't buy/subscribe to any specific theory about Veda people . My question is very simple. Who were the enemies whom Veda People faced in millions and with whom they were at war?:

Yajurveda CHAPTER VI
18. O warlike hero, may thy mind in battle be filled with know-
ledge, and thy breath be united to life's force. O hero, thou art the
killer of foes. May the fire of righteous indignation created by battle
mature thee. Facing millions of the army of enemies, let not the heat
generated by battle disturb thee.

May thou get refreshing drinks to fight in war with the velocity
of wind, and speed of the sun.
https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt

Where these war took place and when? in the Indian-sub-Continent or out side of it? Please identify the belligerents.

Anybody, please
Regards

 

[Aupmanyav]

If Veda/Yajurveda was revealed in India, as one says, then please explain who were those enemies with whom the Veda People of the time engaged in battle/war ? And where it took place and the approximate time if possible?

Others may say that Vedas were revealed in India, but in my view most of YajurVeda was written (and not releaved) outside India, i.e., in Eurasian and Central Asian steppes. Their enemies were other nomadic tribes. The wars were local and the steppes are huge, and the time period also covers a few thousand years. So it is not possible to pinpoint the place or time. This happened at least 3,000 years ago. One tribe with whom Indian Aryans were not very comfortable were the 'panis'. Panis are not spoken of well in Vedas. They may relate to Parthians or the Parni tribe which was a part of Dahae. The Parnis later established the Parthian (Arsaces) empire in Iran.

I have already replied to a similar question from you in http://www.religiousforums.com/thre...ee-to-that-battle”.189446/page-8#post-4889244. I do not know why you are asking these questions again and again. Do something better than just repeating your questions (without ever understand them, since that is beyond your reach).

 

[paarsurrey]

Others may say that Vedas were revealed in India, but in my view most of YajurVeda was written (and not releaved) outside India, i.e., in Eurasian and Central Asian steppes. Their enemies were other nomadic tribes. The wars were local and the steppes are huge, and the time period also covers a few thousand years. So it is not possible to pinpoint the place or time. This happened at least 3,000 years ago. One tribe with whom Indian Aryans were not very comfortable were the 'panis'. Panis are not spoken of well in Vedas. They may relate to Parthians or the Parni tribe which was a part of Dahae. The Parnis later established the Parthian (Arsaces) empire in Iran.
I have already replied to a similar question from you in http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/yajurveda-“this-battle-is-the-source-of-thy-prosperity-hence-we-goad-thee-to-that-battle”.189446/page-8#post-4889244. I do not know why you are asking these questions again and again. Do something better than just repeating your questions (without ever understand them, since that is beyond your reach).

So, one is not sure about anything of Veda, Veda people, and the Vedic Period. Right? Please
Does one mean that no battles/wars were fought in the Arctic Home, as per one's faith or no-faith?
Regards

 

[Aupmanyav]

So, one is not sure about anything of Veda, Veda people, and the Vedic Period.
Does one mean that no battles/wars were fought in the Arctic Home, as per one's faith or no-faith?

Yeah, nobody is absolutely sure. It happened such a long time ago. The Zoroastrian story of a flood by ice dates from Glacial Ages (at least 10,000 BC). There were wars otherwise they would not have been asking for help from their Gods. In the Arctic Circle, the war was between their God Indra who was sometimes helped by Agni, Soma, Ashwins and various Vedic sages and the demons of darkness who took away the sun for two-months till the time that Indra destroyed their fort with his Vajra (made up of the bones of a horse). Some of the demons are named (roughly in order of frequency of mention) as Vritra, Vala, Pipru, Shambara, Namuchi, Kuyava, Shushna, Arbuda, Svarabhanu, etc.

 

[paarsurrey]

Veda people never lived in Arctic. Did they?
#42
#49
In terms of the posts mentioned above, one may occlude following reasonable options:

• One should make the confirmed opinion that Veda people were not a peaceful people. They were most of the time fighting with others and invoking the god/idols for helping in this cause, they needed war spoils for their livelihood and were offering sacrifices only to this end.
• Rishis never taught such things, they were peaceful, all these verses had been made-up by the narrators/scribes/priests for their own ends.
• Hence all such verses in all Vedas need to be compressed and only reference provided to historical reason.

Right?
Please correct me with reasons and arguments, if I am wrong. Please

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Yeah, nobody is absolutely sure. It happened such a long time ago. The Zoroastrian story of a flood by ice dates from Glacial Ages (at least 10,000 BC). There were wars otherwise they would not have been asking for help from their Gods. In the Arctic Circle, the war was between their God Indra who was sometimes helped by Agni, Soma, Ashwins and various Vedic sages and the demons of darkness who took away the sun for two-months till the time that Indra destroyed their fort with his Vajra (made up of the bones of a horse). Some of the demons are named (roughly in order of frequency of mention) as Vritra, Vala, Pipru, Shambara, Namuchi, Kuyava, Shushna, Arbuda, Svarabhanu, etc.

If god are war-mongers as one has just described, so would those who invoke them. the humans. Not a good lessons from the gods, here gods mentioned in Veda specifically. Right? Please

Regards

 

[Kirran]

Paarsurrey, you'd achieve a lot more in these threads if you listened to responses and engaged in genuine dialogue, as well as listening to what respondents actually understand from these texts.

Seems very much to me as if it is not addressing some particular circumstance but is speaking generally.

 

[Aupmanyav]

If god are war-mongers as one has just described, so would those who invoke them. the humans. Not a good lessons from the gods, here gods mentioned in Veda specifically.

If the devotees need help then would not Gods help? What else are Gods supposed to do?

 

[Jainarayan]

Who were the enemies whom Veda People faced in millions and with whom they were at war?:

I don't know. I wasn't there and never met them. The fact remains that India was populated with all kind of people over the millennia, who probably didn't get along. Why is this important to you?

 

[Nyingjé Tso]

Paarsurrey Post of Yesterday at 6:28 AM#42



My question is very simple. Who were the enemies whom Veda People faced in millions and with whom they were at war?:

Vanakkam

The answer is very simple : the reptilians of course !

Around that time they tried to go out from under the hollow earth to claim men's kingdom and live under the sun too. But véda people stopped them in arctic and so their invasion failed.

Look for reptilian people on internet.

"The heat of battle" is a reference to the fact that reptilians warriors spits fire From their mouth ( this huge world war became the start of many myths you find around the world, like dragons ! Troubling isn't ?)

 

[LuisDantas]

I don't know. I wasn't there and never met them. The fact remains that India was populated with all kind of people over the millennia, who probably didn't get along. Why is this important to you?

I find myself wondering much the same things.

It is of course difficult to have any specific answers about such ancient happenings. But how much doubt can there be that there were many people in India at the time, and that they had some degree of hostility and conflict along the (many) years?

It is not like that was ever unusual anywhere, now is it?

 

[paarsurrey]

Vanakkam
The answer is very simple : the reptilians of course !
Around that time they tried to go out from under the hollow earth to claim men's kingdom and live under the sun too. But véda people stopped them in arctic and so their invasion failed.
Look for reptilian people on internet.
"The heat of battle" is a reference to the fact that reptilians warriors spits fire From their mouth ( this huge world war became the start of many myths you find around the world, like dragons ! Troubling isn't ?)

It is a novel idea. Isn't it? Please
Anybody, please
Regrds