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Verifiable evidence for creationism?

Is there any verifiable evidence for creationism?

  • Yes

    Votes: 20 19.0%
  • No

    Votes: 85 81.0%

  • Total voters
    105

Sapiens

Polymathematician
That's why it's called faith. If only your people are capable of seeing it then it needs faith to be believed in.
Someone has faith that there exists someone else, here (at RF), who accepts evolution as explanation for biological evolution, but who is both an 'atheist' and a 'communist' from China?" What do you call the religion that practices this faith?
 
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Sapiens

Polymathematician
Wrong. I presented verifiable evidence for creation based on science and how science backs up the Bible. Unfortunately, the things I presented as evidence for God, I cannot comprehend for you. Your biases will not be overruled unless you let it (Dr. Jason Lisle, Ben Piershale, Billy Graham, a host of other creationists and I). Neither can I have faith for you when it is a prerequisite for having God in "your" life. This is the free will God created for you. Where else does this free will come from?
So once again it is a question of you not being able to even show me your tree house unless I first learn your secret handshake and buy your double-secret decoder ring.
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
That's why it's called faith. If only your people are capable of seeing it then it needs faith to be believed in.

Yet, I posted the Ben Piershale vid in #3175 to nudge you along. And the same for your people of no God when there is no evidence (despite evidence for God). And it takes faith to believe in evolution with insufficient evidence.

I see two rats climbing up on the right.

Could one be a tiktaalik? It crawled upon land to become a human.
 
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james bond

Well-Known Member
I got a couple of fun questions. How many times did Noah send out the dove? What other bird did he send out first and what happened to it?
 

Sapiens

Polymathematician
"Faith is believing what you know ain't so." -Following the Equator, Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar, Mark Twain.
 

Sapiens

Polymathematician
Yet, I posted the Ben Piershale vid in #3175 to nudge you along. And the same for your people of no God when there is no evidence (despite evidence for God). And it takes faith to believe in evolution with insufficient evidence.



Could one be a tiktaalik? It crawled upon land to become a human.
After all this time you still fail to grasp how evidence works. It is impossible, on the basis of logic, to present evidence of nonexistence. The best that can be done is to say that no creditable evidence of existence of God has ever been brought forward, the best that has been done is some vague circumlocutions. the TOE, on the other hand, is well documented, and extensively supported by many independent lines of evidence with you neither support nor appear understand..
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
So once again it is a question of you not being able to even show me your tree house unless I first learn your secret handshake and buy your double-secret decoder ring.

So hypocritical. Where's your Donald Johanson speech that you heard? And to answer your question, it already was there in post #3175 and John 3:16. That's it in a nutshell. I did it for myself many years ago and looked in to the science since 2012.
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
"Faith is believing what you know ain't so." -Following the Equator, Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar, Mark Twain.

Jeez, and I love reading Mark Twain, too. I even got his autograph on a check from 1900. Can't help if he didn't get it though.
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
Yet, I posted the Ben Piershale vid in #3175 to nudge you along. And the same for your people of no God when there is no evidence (despite evidence for God). And it takes faith to believe in evolution with insufficient evidence.
What was that video about anyway? It was meant for people who have faith in their tradition.

Could one be a tiktaalik? It crawled upon land to become a human.
No one is claiming that, unless you mean it as a joke about a general misunderstanding among those who have no idea about evolution.
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
After all this time you still fail to grasp how evidence works. It is impossible, on the basis of logic, to present evidence of nonexistence. The best that can be done is to say that no creditable evidence of existence of God has ever been brought forward, the best that has been done is some vague circumlocutions. the TOE, on the other hand, is well documented, and extensively supported by many independent lines of evidence with you neither support nor appear understand..

So you can't prove a species went extinct about ten years ago (which libbies are crying about regularly)? Sapiens wasn't home yesterday. I just asked his wife and she says that you were kicked out and been living in a cave for weeks. How do we know the Greeks gods were myths. We couldn't find Mt. Olympus. I even gave you how to destroy Christianity and the Bible. It was one of the first things I learned.

And how do I know that evos haven't been able to grow a flower from two plants? Because I've talked with the weed growers and even botanists who state it hasn't been done.

You're a riot, Sapiens.
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
What was that video about anyway? It was meant for people who have faith in their tradition.


No one is claiming that, unless you mean it as a joke about a general misunderstanding among those who have no idea about evolution.

I meant it in the same context you meant and now add "as well as a general misunderstanding among those who have no idea about evolution."

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/news/060501_tiktaalik

Let's just quit. I'm sick of evos who don't even know what they're talking about.
 

Sapiens

Polymathematician
So hypocritical. Where's your Donald Johanson speech that you heard? And to answer your question, it already was there in post #3175 and John 3:16. That's it in a nutshell. I did it for myself many years ago and looked in to the science since 2012.
None of which are evidence, you can not make a rationale case for your beliefs or your faith.
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
I got a couple of fun questions. How many times did Noah send out the dove? What other bird did he send out first and what happened to it?

3x. The first time, the dove came back empty handed. Second time with an olive branch. The third time was the charm. It did not return meaning it found land. Noah sent a raven out the before the dove, i.e. after 40 days and 40 nights, but it did not return. The raven would not return if it found land, but it also would not return as it could feed on carrion in the water.
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
None of which are evidence, you can not make a rationale case for your beliefs or your faith.

1. Plenty rational. The evidence is there is you ask God to reveal Himself. How else can you see an invisible God? We believe in quantum particles which are invisible to us, and God created it and Planck's constant on the 1st day.

2. The part about having faith or sincere belief is not science, but I've shown cases of science backing up the Bible, and pointed out the questions that evolution cannot answer and how it's wrong about the earth and universe being billions of years old. The Bible can't change, but science ends up backing it up. There are things it backed up and there will be things it will back up in the future.

3. Moreover, It's not just my beliefs, but God is there for all. God gave you free will so it's up to you to ask God to reveal Himself. He was there in the video I posted at #3175. There are times when life matters and you can see the beauty and complexity in nature, world and people around you and you just know it's good. Otherwise, life is too short to be concerned about global warming, climate change, gun control and what can derail Clinton in the election ha ha. If you can't get past that, then all I can say is that one day, you will have all the evidence you need. The science of neurology and the study of near-death experiences can only hint at what happens after death. Science will not be able to explain it all. That is written in the Bible. Science will not reveal what happened in the beginning nor what happens at the end. We do not know the moment life starts and when life ends. Just have a close estimate. When one is talking about quantum particles, then it has to be precise, no? We won't have that level of precision. God said He will keep some things to Himself.

The evidence is there that you won't be able to find you way. The true way is 90 degrees perpendicular, straight up and down. If you're just a skosh off by a scant degree, you will walk thinking you are walking straight until you've veered off greatly from the correct path. Don't we all make mistakes? None of us are perfect and yet we revere perfection. Those kind of values come from God. The values you have are the same ones that God has. He's not a being we are not familiar with.

With that jb has exited this thread and hope others will be able to continue to provide the evidence.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
3x. The first time, the dove came back empty handed. Second time with an olive branch. The third time was the charm. It did not return meaning it found land. Noah sent a raven out the before the dove, i.e. after 40 days and 40 nights, but it did not return. The raven would not return if it found land, but it also would not return as it could feed on carrion in the water.
Do you have any verifiable evidence that any of that actually happened?
 

Shad

Veteran Member
1. Plenty rational. The evidence is there is you ask God to reveal Himself. How else can you see an invisible God? We believe in quantum particles which are invisible to us, and God created it and Planck's constant on the 1st day.

So in order to see the evidence we already have to accept your conclusion prior to seeing the evidence. This is circular reasoning, nothing more.

2. The part about having faith or sincere belief is not science, but I've shown cases of science backing up the Bible, and pointed out the questions that evolution cannot answer and how it's wrong about the earth and universe being billions of years old. The Bible can't change, but science ends up backing it up. There are things it backed up and there will be things it will back up in the future.

Except when it doesn't line up with science nor history. Is Jordan still inhabited? Does Tyre still exist? Were two people the start of humanity? This is nothing but an argument from ignorance hidden within selection bias.

3. Moreover, It's not just my beliefs, but God is there for all. God gave you free will so it's up to you to ask God to reveal Himself. He was there in the video I posted at #3175. There are times when life matters and you can see the beauty and complexity in nature, world and people around you and you just know it's good. Otherwise, life is too short to be concerned about global warming, climate change, gun control and what can derail Clinton in the election ha ha. If you can't get past that, then all I can say is that one day, you will have all the evidence you need. The science of neurology and the study of near-death experiences can only hint at what happens after death. Science will not be able to explain it all. That is written in the Bible. Science will not reveal what happened in the beginning nor what happens at the end. We do not know the moment life starts and when life ends. Just have a close estimate. When one is talking about quantum particles, then it has to be precise, no? We won't have that level of precision. God said He will keep some things to Himself.

Again begging the question and argument from ignorance along with God of the Gaps.

The evidence is there that you won't be able to find you way. The true way is 90 degrees perpendicular, straight up and down. If you're just a skosh off by a scant degree, you will walk thinking you are walking straight until you've veered off greatly from the correct path. Don't we all make mistakes? None of us are perfect and yet we revere perfection. Those kind of values come from God. The values you have are the same ones that God has. He's not a being we are not familiar with.

Again begging the question. One must already believe in the conclusion to see evidence supporting the conclusion.

With that jb has exited this thread and hope others will be able to continue to provide the evidence.

Im still waiting for you to present evidence rather than fallacious reasoning.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
1. Plenty rational. The evidence is there is you ask God to reveal Himself. How else can you see an invisible God? We believe in quantum particles which are invisible to us, and God created it and Planck's constant on the 1st day.

What you’re saying is that one must already believe something, in order to find evidence for it. We must believe in god in order to see the evidence of this god’s existence. You’re just believing in the thing you want to believe in, regardless of the evidence or lack thereof. Which is fine for you, but it’s not verifiable evidence for creationism.

The only way I could imagine that we could “see” an invisible god, is through that god’s supposed actions. If god exists, and if god interacts with the earth and the beings on it, those actions should be detectable or measurable in some way. And if we can do that much, you’ve still got a ways to go to confirm that these measurable actions were taken on the part of the specific god you believe in. Maybe Thor did it.

2. The part about having faith or sincere belief is not science, but I've shown cases of science backing up the Bible, and pointed out the questions that evolution cannot answer and how it's wrong about the earth and universe being billions of years old. The Bible can't change, but science ends up backing it up. There are things it backed up and there will be things it will back up in the future.

Like I pointed out before, even if you could completely falsify evolution, you’d be not one step closer to confirming creationism. You have to provide evidence for creationism. Showing that the Bible might be right about a couple of minor things doesn’t do that. What about all the things it is wrong about? You haven’t shown that science is wrong about the age of the universe or the earth (which is not evolution science, by the way) and even if you did, again, that doesn’t mean the Bible is right about it (or your interpretation of what the Bible says about it).

You have a problem here. That problem is that all of the evidence from multiple independent fields of science collected over almost two centuries by multiple groups of independent researchers all converge on the same data in regards to evolution. All of it points to the same conclusion. It’s not “evo” science that demonstrates this; it is geology, physics, chemistry, genetics, biology, zoology, botany, ecology, paleontology, and so many more. You’d rather rely on one ancient book written by people who knew vastly less than we do today about pretty much everything. And it shows.

3. Moreover, It's not just my beliefs, but God is there for all. God gave you free will so it's up to you to ask God to reveal Himself. He was there in the video I posted at #3175.

These are beliefs and assertions, not evidence.

There are times when life matters and you can see the beauty and complexity in nature, world and people around you and you just know it's good.

And what of the bad times when you know it’s bad?

Otherwise, life is too short to be concerned about global warming, climate change, gun control and what can derail Clinton in the election ha ha.

I couldn’t disagree more. Is this what the Bible teaches you? How very selfish and short-sighted.

If you can't get past that, then all I can say is that one day, you will have all the evidence you need. The science of neurology and the study of near-death experiences can only hint at what happens after death. Science will not be able to explain it all. That is written in the Bible. Science will not reveal what happened in the beginning nor what happens at the end. We do not know the moment life starts and when life ends. Just have a close estimate. When one is talking about quantum particles, then it has to be precise, no? We won't have that level of precision. God said He will keep some things to Himself.

This all just sounds like wishful thinking to me.

The evidence is there that you won't be able to find you way. The true way is 90 degrees perpendicular, straight up and down. If you're just a skosh off by a scant degree, you will walk thinking you are walking straight until you've veered off greatly from the correct path. Don't we all make mistakes? None of us are perfect and yet we revere perfection. Those kind of values come from God. The values you have are the same ones that God has. He's not a being we are not familiar with.

With that jb has exited this thread and hope others will be able to continue to provide the evidence.

These are just more assertions. Not evidence for creationism. It’s strange that you purport to know what values the god you worship has, but have no way of providing any evidence or demonstration of that.

I don’t revere perfection and I see no reason to believe that “those kind of values come from God.”
 

gnostic

The Lost One
1. Plenty rational. The evidence is there is you ask God to reveal Himself. How else can you see an invisible God? We believe in quantum particles which are invisible to us, and God created it and Planck's constant on the 1st day.

What you’re saying is that one must already believe something, in order to find evidence for it. We must believe in god in order to see the evidence of this god’s existence. You’re just believing in the thing you want to believe in, regardless of the evidence or lack thereof. Which is fine for you, but it’s not verifiable evidence for creationism.

No, it isn't verifiable evidences.

That's why Genesis, or the bible in general, is called a book of faith, and not science.

That JB thinks that faith and his warped logic are evidences, just showed that JB doesn't understand what verifiable or empirical evidence is.
 
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