Verifiable evidence for creationism?

[rusra02]

Cre·a·tion·ism
krēˈāSHəˌnizəm/
noun

1. the belief that the universe and living organisms originate from specific acts of divine creation, as in the biblical account, rather than by natural processes such as evolution.

Is there any? I often hear creationists lean on arguments from ignorance or the present lack of scientific understanding, but I've never heard of any verifiable evidence for it.

While I believe in creation and a Creator, I reject the label Creationism. That said, the scientific evidence for creation is simple. Any complex entity requires a creator, especially information based entities, such as the chemical messages in DNA. Or as the Bible simply and irrefutably states: "Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but the one who constructed all things is God." (Hebrews 3:4)

 

[gnostic]

Wind is the movement of air, and it doesn't require volition, consciousness or will.

Wind require no God for movement of air, not unless God sneeze, snore, barf or fart.

 

[vombatus]

That said, the scientific evidence for creation is simple. Any complex entity requires a creator, especially information based entities, such as the chemical messages in DNA. Or as the Bible simply and irrefutably states: "Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but the one who constructed all things is God." (Hebrews 3:4)

Elsewhere in the forum I've asked you several times to state the "evidence" you keep referring to. The above explains why I've had no luck: you apparently don't understand the difference between evidence for a claim and an assertion of that claim.

 

[SkepticThinker]

While I believe in creation and a Creator, I reject the label Creationism. That said, the scientific evidence for creation is simple. Any complex entity requires a creator, especially information based entities, such as the chemical messages in DNA. Or as the Bible simply and irrefutably states: "Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but the one who constructed all things is God." (Hebrews 3:4)

How complex is the god you worship? More complex than say, DNA?

 

[leibowde84]

I send you back to the first singularity...
please remain there til you get it right

There are various plausible theories, but I am not foolish enough to assume that, because we can't currently explain it that God must be the answer.

 

[leibowde84]

the hall of mirrors trick doesn't work on God

If cause and effect is your reasoning, what caused God? Or is God merely conveniently excused?

 

[leibowde84]

While I believe in creation and a Creator, I reject the label Creationism. That said, the scientific evidence for creation is simple. Any complex entity requires a creator, especially information based entities, such as the chemical messages in DNA. Or as the Bible simply and irrefutably states: "Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but the one who constructed all things is God." (Hebrews 3:4)

Ok, but these are merely claims. What evidence do you have to back up that all complex entities have a creator?

 

[Thief]

There are various plausible theories, but I am not foolish enough to assume that, because we can't currently explain it that God must be the answer.

assumption is a useful tool....properly used
no need to feel foolish

 

[Thief]

If cause and effect is your reasoning, what caused God? Or is God merely conveniently excused?

the hall of mirror trick doesn't work on God.
Someone had to be first.

 

[leibowde84]

assumption is a useful tool....properly used
no need to feel foolish

How is assumption useful?

 

[leibowde84]

the hall of mirror trick doesn't work on God.
Someone had to be first.

But, you continually say that everything has a cause, utilizing cause and effect at every turn. But, when it doesn't fit your argument, it is conveniently discarded.

 

[Thief]

But, you continually say that everything has a cause, utilizing cause and effect at every turn. But, when it doesn't fit your argument, it is conveniently discarded.

Spirit first....is what I continually say

 

[Thief]

But, you continually say that everything has a cause, utilizing cause and effect at every turn. But, when it doesn't fit your argument, it is conveniently discarded.

and now you must step forward and demonstrate the contrary.....your claim

 

[leibowde84]

and now you must step forward and demonstrate the contrary.....your claim

That we don't have enough information to even make an educated guess. We just don't know yet.

 

[Thief]

That we don't have enough information to even make an educated guess. We just don't know yet.

you may plead ignorance if you like

I remain sure

 

[leibowde84]

you may plead ignorance if you like

I remain sure

And, I'm interested in figuring out why you think you can be sure. Can you explain that? Spirit first doesn't really get around our lack of understanding of the cosmos as an entire species.

 

[outhouse]

Elsewhere in the forum I've asked you several times to state the "evidence" you keep referring to

6 years now, and he just proselytizes.

 

[outhouse]

Someone had to be first.

Faith based rhetoric with no substance or credibility of any kind.

 

[rusra02]

Elsewhere in the forum I've asked you several times to state the "evidence" you keep referring to. The above explains why I've had no luck: you apparently don't understand the difference between evidence for a claim and an assertion of that claim.

It is sad when people deny the evidence before their eyes. As the Bible rightly states: God's "invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they [who deny God] are inexcusable." (Romans 1:20)

 

[Thief]

And, I'm interested in figuring out why you think you can be sure. Can you explain that? Spirit first doesn't really get around our lack of understanding of the cosmos as an entire species.

and your lack of understanding is 'ours'?