Victim of acid attack wants her attacker blinded

[angellous_evangellous]

It's only fair to be equally cruel to all. Maybe people will realize how barbaric the justice system is.

I like concept, but the application seems a bit uncontrollable. I mean, how do they know exactly how much acid to use so it only blinds him and doesn't cause other damage.

A hot knife would be just as painful and much more accurate.

The Iranians are salted nut clusters but I don't think that they are going to go through with the sentence.

 

[Songbird]

I like concept, but the application seems a bit uncontrollable. I mean, how do they know exactly how much acid to use so it only blinds him and doesn't cause other damage.

A hot knife would be just as painful and much more accurate.

The Iranians are salted nut clusters but I don't think that they are going to go through with the sentence.

Mmmm, salted nut clusters.

 

[Reptillian]

Ya think?!

Are you saying that you think cruel and unusual punishment is all right in some circumstances? I may have to add this one to the Angellous Beliefs thread. I guess I just assumed that as an American citizen you'd be against cruel and unusual punishment...just noticed you're a Texan though so nevermind.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Are you saying that you think cruel and unusual punishment is all right in some circumstances? I may have to add this one to the Angellous Beliefs thread. I guess I just assumed that as an American citizen you'd be against cruel and unusual punishment...just noticed you're a Texan though so nevermind.

I don't know why you would assume that.

But, I am keeping in mind that this fella is not an American citizen and he's not in America.

He's in Iran, which may as well be Jupiter, and our constitutional values simply don't make sense there.

I will say, however, that "cruel and unusual punishment" has been used far too much to give criminals far more than they deserve.

I think that we should look to Greece and Rome for punishments for administrative crimes -- white collar crimes that destroy economies for example should receive the death penality (sorta like what they have done in China in recent years). I thought that the most effective punishment would be to kill their entire families in front of them and then blind them so it's the last thing that they see. No prison time - just throw them out on the street with nothing, blind and broken. Let them kill themselves if they want to die. It's not too late to do this, but the current system works in favor of the criminals and not the people -- especially if the criminal is rich.

Also, only one appeal for the death penalty, and the maximum stay on death row is three months, with the prisoner knowing the time and date of his death.

 

[Songbird]

I don't know why you would assume that.

But, I am keeping in mind that this fella is not an American citizen and he's not in America.

He's in Iran, which may as well be Jupiter, and our constitutional values simply don't make sense there.

I will say, however, that "cruel and unusual punishment" has been used far too much to give criminals far more than they deserve.

I think that we should look to Greece and Rome for punishments for administrative crimes -- white collar crimes that destroy economies for example should receive the death penality (sorta like what they have done in China in recent years). I thought that the most effective punishment would be to kill their entire families in front of them and then blind them so it's the last thing that they see. No prison time - just throw them out on the street with nothing, blind and broken. Let them kill themselves if they want to die. It's not too late to do this, but the current system works in favor of the criminals and not the people -- especially if the criminal is rich.

Also, only one appeal for the death penalty, and the maximum stay on death row is three months, with the prisoner knowing the time and date of his death.

:blowkiss: You're great.

 

[Revoltingest]

I like concept, but the application seems a bit uncontrollable. I mean, how do they know exactly how much acid to use so it only blinds him and doesn't cause other damage.
A hot knife would be just as painful and much more accurate.
The Iranians are salted nut clusters but I don't think that they are going to go through with the sentence.

I bet they look at our justice system & think Americans are either ridiculously permissive or incredibly cruel.
Sexual assault of inmates is tolerated, dangerous offenders are released due to technicalities, etc.
Their system seems to suffer less from namby pamby faux "civilization". I ain't say'n it's better, but we ought not be smug.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I bet they look at our justice system & think Americans are either ridiculously permissive or incredibly cruel.
Sexual assault of inmates is tolerated, dangerous offenders are released due to technicalities, etc.
Their system seems to suffer less from namby pamby faux "civilization".

I think that we're blinded by petty offenses associated with drugs and violent crimes perpetrated by poor or middle class offenders. That's what politicians can demonize and say that they are tough on crime.

Everything else, and I mean everything is negotiable at the right price.

If they look at America properly, I think that they would see that we have a truly capitalized justice system where everything is sold at prices determined by the market, and the price is high.

 

[Reptillian]

I don't know why you would assume that.

But, I am keeping in mind that this fella is not an American citizen and he's not in America.

He's in Iran, which may as well be Jupiter, and our constitutional values simply don't make sense there.

I will say, however, that "cruel and unusual punishment" has been used far too much to give criminals far more than they deserve.

I think that we should look to Greece and Rome for punishments for administrative crimes -- white collar crimes that destroy economies for example should receive the death penality (sorta like what they have done in China in recent years). I thought that the most effective punishment would be to kill their entire families in front of them and then blind them so it's the last thing that they see. No prison time - just throw them out on the street with nothing, blind and broken. Let them kill themselves if they want to die. It's not too late to do this, but the current system works in favor of the criminals and not the people -- especially if the criminal is rich.

Also, only one appeal for the death penalty, and the maximum stay on death row is three months, with the prisoner knowing the time and date of his death.

Greece and Rome...regular paragons of virtue. Where pedophillia was commonplace and even a crazy man's horse could rise to the rank of senator.

 

[Marble]

We agree on the sentence. But what if he can't pay?

She's already been treated horribly since the incident, and being a woman I wouldn't think that Iran is going to do anything for her. Even her cries for justice will be ignored, I'm sure.

When he cannot pay than perhaps his family?
In USA or Europe it would not be possible to make the family pay for what 1 family member has done, but perhaps the law of Iran allows this?
I do not think her cries for justiste are ignored, it is just that she asks for something impossible.

What would the alternative be? Locking him away in prison for several years, then letting him go out, get married, and have a normal life again? Eh.

20 years are not several years, it's 2 full centuries.
And what would happen with such an individual in the USA or in Europe?
It is not that we have no idividuals here who do things of unbelievable cruelty.

... or God forbid, do it to someone else.

What makes you think he would do it again when he comes out of prison in, lets say, 20 years?
That is a lot of time to think over what you have done.

Blinding him would be revenge not justice. I agree he should be imprisoned and pay,financially and socially, for his act, but blinding crosses into cruel and unusual punishment territory for me.

I think so too.
Moreover the act of blinding hom would be carried out under narcosis, by a doctor.
He would not feel the same pain or fear his victim felt, nor would be be disfigured.
When she really wants to make him suffer as she did, she would have to throw acid at his face.
And what would this change for her?

 

[Revoltingest]

I think that we're blinded by petty offenses associated with drugs and violent crimes perpetrated by poor or middle class offenders. That's what politicians can demonize and say that they are tough on crime.

Everything else, and I mean everything is negotiable at the right price.

If they look at America properly, I think that they would see that we have a truly capitalized justice system where everything is sold at prices determined by the market, and the price is high.

Oh, if only justice were so orderly & commercialized.
Basically, it's an expensive crap shoot, with the leaders largely exempt from sanction.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Oh, if only justice were so orderly & commercialized.
Basically, it's an expensive crap shoot, with the leaders largely exempt from sanction.

Yeah, I over generalized a bit.

But as the man said, it's better to be guilty and rich than innocent and poor.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

What makes you think he would do it again when he comes out of prison in, lets say, 20 years? That is a lot of time to think over what you have done.

That's not all he'll be doing in prison.

 

[croak]

"0 years are not several years, it's 2 full centuries.
And what would happen with such an individual in the USA or in Europe?
It is not that we have no idividuals here who do things of unbelievable cruelty.

I'm not sure what you meant by the first sentence. Could you explain?

 

[Marble]

I'm not sure what you meant by the first sentence. Could you explain?

I typed " instead of 2.
What I meant to say is that 20 years are 2 centuries and not "some years".

 

[Marble]

That's not all he'll be doing in prison.

Meaning?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Meaning?

Meaning the guy's not going to a rehab center for 20 years of behavioral therapy.

He'll be in an Iranian prison getting abused daily in God-knows-what conditions.

I wonder if he could actually survive the 20 years.

 

[Marble]

Meaning the guy's not going to a rehab center for 20 years of behavioral therapy.

He'll be in an Iranian prison getting abused daily in God-knows-what conditions.

I wonder if he could actually survive the 20 years.

If that is so, this should be punishment enough.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

If that is so, this should be punishment enough.

Still, she has to live with it the rest of her life.

And he will likely be more violent when he gets out than when he went in.

Best to blind him or hang him (according to their law).

 

[Quagmire]

Greece and Rome...regular paragons of virtue. Where pedophillia was commonplace and even a crazy man's horse could rise to the rank of senator.

Unlike the U.S., where pedophilia is commonplace and a horses *** can etc., etc...

 

[Oneatatime]

Although I would say that blinding him wouldn't accomplish anything except lower society to his level I'm not the person who had acid pourned onto them and was blinded.

That doesn't mean that either of us are right and the other wrong, just that what qualifies as justice is dependent on a variety of factors, including whether or not you were the victim.