Victim of acid attack wants her attacker blinded

[angellous_evangellous]

Ohhh. :foot:

haha don't worry about it. I thought about just getting off easy.

 

[gnomon]

Hang the S.O.B. and put a sign around his neck that says "This is what happens to people who throw acid on women" while feral dogs feast upon his rotting flesh and whatever is left over should be thrown to the pigs.

 

[Father Heathen]

Perhaps if savages had a taste of their own savagery more often there would be less of it in the world.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

O, I just thought of something better... inspired by the play Titus.

It would be too much trouble than it's worth, but while in prison they amputate the guy's legs, grind everything into sausage, and let that be the only thing they feed him. Cold and bland.

They would tell the guy before or after he eats it... if before, let him go without food for a week or so.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

How's that for savage?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

How the hell are we expected to keep our women submissive and under control if we're not allowed to disfigure, beat, and abuse them?

 

[Father Heathen]

O, I just thought of something better... inspired by the play Titus.

It would be too much trouble than it's worth, but while in prison they amputate the guy's legs, grind everything into sausage, and let that be the only thing they feed him. Cold and bland.

They would tell the guy before or after he eats it... if before, let him go without food for a week or so.

But it's not halal.

 

[gnomon]

My harsh reaction to this case is due to the state of women's rights in Iran. Normally I oppose capital punishment except in cases of corrupt public officials but to send a message in Iran that disfiguring and scarring a woman for refusing what is essentially a sexual advance should be met with harsh punishment in this case to state that the State will not tolerate such actions.

However, does anyone know the actual length of this man's sentence? He has been imprisoned for six years but what is the actual sentence?

 

[Anonymouse]

Ok, so I'm not a Christian and I am a woman.
I do not want to see him blinded, but I would like him to have to pay for whatever medical treatment she may need (now or in the future) and I think he should be sentenced to a minimum of 20 years.

blindfolded

 

[angellous_evangellous]

But it's not halal.

That just may be the point.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

blindfolded

ha! That's much better. How bout that.

He just might go blind from that.

 

[SageTree]

I can't speak for anyone, but it's safe to say Angellous was joking about killing people's families and that the comment was about this discussion, not the issue.

I'm glad you chimed in! And nice hair.

That is certainly why I asked if it was trolling or what? I didn't get a reply, but now I see a little more clearly at least the method and manner the words were used.
I didn't pick up anything and perhaps I didn't read deeply enough into the lead up to understand.

Thanks for the welcome in.... flattery will get you nowhere..... LoL!!!



I keed I keed. Danke.

I'll let me opinions otherwise rest for now.

It's supposed to be revolting - which is why the method is so effective.

Sorry for misunderstanding the way in which you presented itself to me. I was way to caught up in the wtf-ness of the hypothetical story and it's details to see it was a tool for illustrating your point.

I was shocked for sure.
But I don't know if I'd call is a success or effective.
It pretty much just shocked and upset me and nothing else up to this point.

 

[Songbird]

That is certainly why I asked if it was trolling or what? I didn't get a reply, but now I see a little more clearly at least the method and manner the words were used.
I didn't pick up anything and perhaps I didn't read deeply enough into the lead up to understand.

Thanks for the welcome in.... flattery will get you nowhere..... LoL!!!


I keed I keed. Danke.

I'll let me opinions otherwise rest for now.


Sorry for misunderstanding the way in which you presented itself to me. I was way to caught up in the wtf-ness of the hypothetical story and it's details to see it was a tool for illustrating your point.

I was shocked for sure.
But I don't know if I'd call is a success or effective.
It pretty much just shocked and upset me and nothing else up to this point.

Oh, this is funny. I was wrong, SageTree. Quite wrong. Often wrong, in fact.

Songbird backs out of thread.

 

[MissAlice]

Ameneh Bahrami was the victim of an attack with acid by a man whose marriage proposals she turned down.
She now is blind and badly disfigured and wants her attacker to be blinded too, under the Sharia law of Iran.

It's a mixed issue with me. My first reaction was the same as the victim's. But on the otherhand I've always been against this case of crue and unusual punishment. I'm not in her shoes but I can only imagine what this girl went through and how it's affected her life and outlook. Not only did he blind and disfigure her but he could have killed her. I'm not sure what to think now after seeing the documentary. In a society where stoning use to be justified against "adulterers" who were usually women and how it is still used without much intervention, I don't see this retribution to be any different. I doubt though it will change much of these ancient attitudes against women or prevent people like Majid do what they do. This issue of violence against women is no rare phenemon in Iran. In fact just got done reading another incident that happened today. A group of women who were having a small private party were gang raped at knife point by intruders. What really boiled my blood as usual was how the officials side-lined this issue and blamed the women for "provoking" these men by not wearing their hijabs or headscarfs properly. As if these guys were invited much less free to do whatever they wanted. Makes you wonder how many of these incidents of rape go unreported when the victim is usually seen as the perpetrator.

I think it's going to take a lot more than an eye for an eye. Iranian society is going to have to change their social attitudes about women and I have a feeling this is not going to be easy given the religious elements that're strongly ingrained in its society. I could be wrong but anyone who uses a woman's modesty as an excuse to not get raped is way behind times.

One thing I don't understand:
Why was she not given asylum in Barcelona and brought to an hospital for immediate threatment insted of sending her to a shelter for homless people?
She could have keept her left eye had they not forced her to live in a place with bad sanitary conditions.

This is why I try and be careful about pointing the finger the other way. If we cannot be as just as we claim to be in the West then I dare say we are no better until we start by discussing and fixing these issues in our own part of the world. I don't know much about Barcelona though so it's hard for me to say. I'll bet money was the main issue but that still leaves a good question as to why she was untreated for an injury as severe as hers. But who knows, anything can happen if you're in the poor house. In the US we still have the attitude of blaming the victim and usually it's the poor.

 

[Mathematician]

Justice is blind.

I'm here all night.

 

[Badran]

In my opinion, it doesn't really matter how the rest of us "feel" about the kind of punishment applied. A person was blinded and disfigured. SHE is the one who needs and has a right to justice, and that justice should be up to doing to her attacker exactly what he did to her, regardless of whether or not she might regret it later, thats up to her.

Thats not to mention, that actually prison for a certain period of time to me is a nonsensical punishment for this kind of crime. Completely ineffective and does not come even close to serving any supposed justice. At best if prisons actually worked in rehabilitating criminals, and the victim would be satisfied by her attacker being in prison, then it would've made some sense, but as it is, refusing to give this woman her justice or revenge and locking the man up is just another injustice towards her.

Finally, saying that one is against cruel punishments is just the exact opposite of justice to me, as of course some crimes are just that, cruel. Which means to give justice to the victim, we may have to do something cruel to the attacker, just like what he did. That aside, most punishments are to one level or another cruel. Locking a person for his entire life in prison is very cruel, yet people are okay with it. Problem is like i said most of the time such punishments don't really have anything to do with the crime committed.

 

[earlwooters]

An eye for an eye, makes a lot of blind people.

 

[Badran]

An eye for an eye, makes a lot of blind people.

If you wouldn't choose an 'eye for an eye' when wronged, i agree with you and i think thats the better thing to do. However, that doesn't mean we should forbid other people from getting an eye for their lost eye, if thats what they want.

There is a difference between saying what you think is better, or good, and between allowing and not allowing justice based on that.

 

[McBell]

An eye for an eye, makes a lot of blind people.

Then perhaps they will no longer take eyes?

 

[Marble]

Finally, saying that one is against cruel punishments is just the exact opposite of justice to me, as of course some crimes are just that, cruel. Which means to give justice to the victim, we may have to do something cruel to the attacker, just like what he did.

Would we not, if doing so, become more and more like him?