Views on Islam?

[leibowde84]

Dear brother, I think you need to read about islamic history and its basics much more, my friend: i see a huge misunderstanding from your side, for your information, it's not allowed in islam at all to force anyone to be muslim, believe me, most of Muslims don't agree with ISIS and what they are doing, it have written on the Holly Qur'an 1436 years ago the following in Sura titled "The Unbelievers" :

In the Name of Allah, the Merciful, the Most Merciful
[109.1] Say: 'O unbelievers,
[109.2] I do not worship what you worship,
[109.3] nor do you worship what I worship.
[109.4] Nor am I worshiping what you have worshipped,
[109.5] neither will you worship what I worship.
[109.6] To you your religion, and to me my Religion. '

Why do you think that we should only judge those who practice Islam "correctly" rather than judge it by the actions in the name of Islam taken on by its adherents. I really do get your point, but I don't think it is reasonable to just avoid the issue by saying, "well, they just don't practice Islam correctly". Don't you?

And, please don't say that I'm judging all Muslims by the actions of extremists. I am merely saying that we should judge Islam (the religion itself) by the actions of all of its adherents.

 

[Ibn_Gafar]

Why do you think that we should only judge those who practice Islam "correctly" rather than judge it by the actions in the name of Islam taken on by its adherents. I really do get your point, but I don't think it is reasonable to just avoid the issue by saying, "well, they just don't practice Islam correctly". Don't you?

And, please don't say that I'm judging all Muslims by the actions of extremists. I am merely saying that we should judge Islam (the religion itself) by the actions of all of its adherents.

Actually i have seen that you mentioning all the extremists samples in islamic history in one paragraph and ignored billions of Muslims who lives in peace everywhere on earth and follows Allah directions that forbids to hurt even an animal.
It's not worth to remind you with a lot of wars in Europe and millions died by the name of god, the extremists everywhere all the time from all sides dear friend.

Sorry for my terrible English

 

[Augustus]

I never stated that your answers are wrong nor did i state they right.All i stated is about your guessing game.
Now what is ambiguous about those simple questions.there is an old saying that a fool lives to eat and a wise man eats to live. But then the question remains: for what purpose does the wise man live?
Living is not an end by itself. There has to be a purpose for man to live for.
So my 4 questions relate to what is this purpose?

I wasn't guessing the answers, I was guessing as to how to interpret your questions.

The purpose of human existence is to worship God, and their goal in life is to gain access to paradise through worship of God and moral behaviour throughout their lives, especially the avoidance of shirk which is the worst of all sins. Moral guidelines come from Quran, Sunnah and fiqh, some of which are universally agreed on, others which are debated.

Basically, the purpose of life is to be a Muslim and non-Muslims are living a wasted and doomed existence until they convert.

How would you answer your 4 questions?

 

[Bunyip]

I wasn't guessing the answers, I was guessing as to how to interpret your questions.

The purpose of human existence is to worship God, and their goal in life is to gain access to paradise through worship of God and moral behaviour throughout their lives, especially the avoidance of shirk which is the worst of all sins. Moral guidelines come from Quran, Sunnah and fiqh, some of which are universally agreed on, others which are debated.

Basically, the purpose of life is to be a Muslim and non-Muslims are living a wasted and doomed existence until they convert.

How would you answer your 4 questions?

Just asking -so please don't take offence. But what purpose is there to worshipping god? How is that a purpose?

 

[Augustus]

Just asking -so please don't take offence. But what purpose is there to worshipping god? How is that a purpose?

God created people to worship him and He's the boss: "I created the jinn and humankind only that they might worship Me." Quran 51:56

The purpose is that it is one step on the journey towards heaven.

 

[Bunyip]

God created people to worship him and He's the boss: "I created the jinn and humankind only that they might worship Me." Quran 51:56

The purpose is that it is one step on the journey towards heaven.

And what is the purpose of heaven?

 

[Augustus]

And what is the purpose of heaven?

It's quite pleasant up there apparently, a bit like the best place that a 7th C Arab person could imagine: "In a lofty Paradise, where they shall neither hear harmful speech nor falsehood. Therein will be a running spring. Therein will be thrones raised high, and cups set at hand. And cushions set in rows, and rich carpets (all) spread out" (88:10-16).

Wonder if it has been updated recently? "There are giant cinemas with reclining leather armchairs and nobody talks or plays with their phones. Everyone gets a Porsche that releases no emissions and never requires filling up with petrol. The Internet speed never drops and Youtube videos are never buffering even when streaming in 1080HD. Computers, phones and tablets always work just as well as the day you bought them and never become insufferably slow to the extent that you get angry, swear violently and hurl them at the wall."

 

[leibowde84]

Actually i have seen that you mentioning all the extremists samples in islamic history in one paragraph and ignored billions of Muslims who lives in peace everywhere on earth and follows Allah directions that forbids to hurt even an animal.
It's not worth to remind you with a lot of wars in Europe and millions died by the name of god, the extremists everywhere all the time from all sides dear friend.

Sorry for my terrible English

I am against extremists from all religions. I'm not sure what you are referring to specifically, but the Nazis were not Christian, at least the one's in control of the propoganda weren't. Hitler, Himler, and Goebbels were all sociopaths. They could have cared less about religion or doing anything "for god". They surely used that sentiment in propoganda, but after reading the personal documents and diaries from each, it is clear that religion could not have been further from their minds ... unless you are talking about the occult.

 

[jeager106]

Dear brother, I think you need to read about islamic history and its basics much more, my friend: i see a huge misunderstanding from your side, for your information, it's not allowed in islam at all to force anyone to be muslim, believe me, most of Muslims don't agree with ISIS and what they are doing, it have written on the Holly Qur'an 1436 years ago the following in Sura titled "The Unbelievers" :

In the Name of Allah, the Merciful, the Most Merciful
[109.1] Say: 'O unbelievers,
[109.2] I do not worship what you worship,
[109.3] nor do you worship what I worship.
[109.4] Nor am I worshiping what you have worshipped,
[109.5] neither will you worship what I worship.
[109.6] To you your religion, and to me my Religion. '

Thank you for giving much better information.
Why is it Sunni & Shiite often kill one another?
I mean no disrespect to Islam but it is troublesome to hear of the violence between sects of Islam.
ISIS is a horrible & violent group.
The middle east seems to have gone up in flames what with all the bombings and fighting between groups.
It's very sad to read these things in the news and see it on the t-v.
Please do correct any misinformation written here as & do appreciate it.

 

[Ibn_Gafar]

I am against extremists from all religions. I'm not sure what you are referring to specifically, but the Nazis were not Christian, at least the one's in control of the propoganda weren't. Hitler, Himler, and Goebbels were all sociopaths. They could have cared less about religion or doing anything "for god". They surely used that sentiment in propoganda, but after reading the personal and diaries from each, it is clear that religion could not have been further from their minds ... unless you are talking about the occult.

6 million (Jewish) had been killed in Europe and I still believe that Europe is not evil or bad place, and its not fair to judge on them for that , or even because of the Crusades, the Spanish courts inspection, and a lot of other examples, but again, I am a muslim and don't really believe that christianity is a religion of violence and hate because of what crusaders did to jewish and muslims in Jerusalem in 12 & 13 centuries, I believe that christianity like islam is based on love and peace and faith.
The funny thing is that people like Osama bin laden and ISIS leaders will agree 100% with what you're saying, you empower the extremists my dear, and let's imagine that islam is a war religion: what do you expect then from billions of muslims everywhere on earth to do with unbelievers?

 

[psychoslice]

Keep feeling sad

Well that is what I expected.

 

[leibowde84]

Actually i have seen that you mentioning all the extremists samples in islamic history in one paragraph and ignored billions of Muslims who lives in peace everywhere on earth and follows Allah directions that forbids to hurt even an animal.
It's not worth to remind you with a lot of wars in Europe and millions died by the name of god, the extremists everywhere all the time from all sides dear friend.

Sorry for my terrible English

The peaceful Muslims, or "normal" Muslims, are not at issue. They aren't doing anything wrong and should be treated with respect (and you are wrong, my friend ... I mention them a lot on this site). But, it seems like you are saying that, every time anyone mentions or discusses the extremists, the peaceful Muslims must be mentioned as well. That is an unreasonable request that is not expected when dealing with any other religion.

Your error is this ... you seem to think that focus on extremist Muslims somehow shows a negative disposition toward Islam in general. My only problem is with those who are violent or disruptive in the name of their religion, no matter what that religion might be. Your judgment was unfair and illogical.

 

[leibowde84]

6 million (Jewish) had been killed in Europe and I still believe that Europe is not evil or bad place, and its not fair to judge on them for that , or even because of the Crusades, the Spanish courts inspection, and a lot of other examples, but again, I am a muslim and don't really believe that christianity is a religion of violence and hate because of what crusaders did to jewish and muslims in Jerusalem in 12 & 13 centuries, I believe that christianity like islam is based on love and peace and faith.
The funny thing is that people like Osama bin laden and ISIS leaders will agree 100% with what you're saying, you empower the extremists my dear, and let's imagine that islam is a war religion: what do you expect then from billions of muslims everywhere on earth to do with unbelievers?

Where did you get the erroneous idea that I think of Islam as a religion of war? You keep on claiming this, but I have never said this, and I can't think why you would cling to this belief about my thinking. I do not judge Islam only by the acts of terrorists who kill in its name. I take everything I know about the religion into account. One thing I do know is that the vast majority of Muslims internationally are peaceful. Never said otherwise. You are merely fighting against a straw-man argument.

 

["Born Eunuch"]

How do you feel about Muslims, and Islam as a whole?

...I think that they may be just like Christians, some of them do things that their Prophet would not sanction...



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[leibowde84]

Sikhs believe prophet Muhammad pbuh was true prophet pbuh.
However where they disagree with muslims is that other prophets came after Prophet Muhammad pbuh.

What's the difference? Does it really matter? We're the messages of later prophets drastically different? If you are going to believe Muhammad, why not them?

 

[JustWondering]

I know people have fought before all of these religions showed up. Because I've read history. Most wars and conflicts aren't even due to religious reasons. The things that drive war is terrritory and resources. Religion can be used to justify wars but it doesn't cause wars. Take all the religions out of this planet and it won't make a difference. Besides look at what the communists did and they weren't just atheist, but anti-theist.

People look at the news and just assume all Muslims are the one and the same. Do you really think that hundreds of millions of Muslims believe in the same thing and are committing terrorist activities? Does anyone stop to think how unbelievably asinine that sounds?

Religion is used to justify and motivate war and violence. Without religion to get people riled up there would be less war and violence not more. That is simple logic. I never said that no religion on earth would eradicate all war and violence, that is you putting words in my mouth.

 

[Theweirdtophat]

Religion is used to justify and motivate war and violence. Without religion to get people riled up there would be less war and violence not more. That is simple logic. I never said that no religion on earth would eradicate all war and violence, that is you putting words in my mouth.

I'm not putting words in anyone's mouth. Would there be less violence? I suppose but barely. People seem to act like it will make a big difference. It wouldn't. People would find other things to fight about. So really it wouldn't make as big of a difference as people would think as almost all of the recorded wars and conflicts weren't even about religion. It was territory and resources, that's what drives people, not because of religious differences. Religion can be used to justify wars but it doesn't cause wars. Notice how that even when fought over religious differences, they take the spoils of war i.e. land, resources, ect..

Getting rid of religion isn't the solution. What is the solution? Who knows?

 

[Augustus]

Religion is used to justify and motivate war and violence. Without religion to get people riled up there would be less war and violence not more.

Utterly speculative to the point of having no meaning. The effect of removing something from society that has always existed throughout human history is almost the definition of unknowable. In addition, absence of religion would leave a vacuum and would be replaced by an alternative belief system, assuming that it will be replaced by something 'better' with zero evidence to support the claim is hubristic and naive.

 

[leibowde84]

Utterly speculative to the point of having no meaning. The effect of removing something from society that has always existed throughout human history is almost the definition of unknowable. In addition, absence of religion would leave a vacuum and would be replaced by an alternative belief system, assuming that it will be replaced by something 'better' with zero evidence to support the claim is hubristic and naive.

I agree. But, that reasoning might only apply to the beginning stages of a secular society. The trick would be to find something, not supernatural, that the culture could believe in ("or fully get behind").