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Violent Indictment
- Thread starter The Hammer
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I see. You have no evidence just talking points designed to minimize the horror that was the January 6th attack on Congress.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Yea. That must be it.
Perhaps, although much of it will depend on how transparent they are. If there are any gaps in information, whether it's because something is deemed classified, confidential, proprietary, etc., then that's when people start to make things up and fill in the blanks.
Also, since this whole thing mainly hinges upon complex legal questions which are kind of unprecedented and which we've never really had to deal with before, the politicos and the legal beagles of this country are going to have to come to some sort of consensus on these questions and explain it very carefully to the people in terms they can understand. If the public sees that legal opinions are varying widely depending on whether someone has a D or an R next to their name, then it might be a tougher sell.
Keeping in mind that the Supreme Court is still in the doghouse with a lot of people over the Roe v. Wade/Dobbs decision, people might not consider the courts to be truly objective or unbiased. If/when Trump is actually put on trial, they're going to have to put on a gaggle of the top legal experts on all the channels - like the top law professors in the country - and maybe even from other countries. They would all have to stand shoulder to shoulder and agree unanimously that the case against Trump is flawless, airtight, and transparent. If there's even the slightest doubts at all, then that will leave an opening for the right-wing to take advantage of.
Too bad Judge Wapner isn't with us anymore. If there's anyone I'd trust to preside over this case, it would be him.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
On that note, a lot of conservatives are Christian fundamentalists. To take their religion so seriously and literally requires forgoing reason and critical thinking. This of course also effects how they absorb toxic ideologies, absurd conspiracy theories, etc. The whole creationism thing leads to them denying science in regards to evolution, and thus this leads to them denying it in other areas; climate change, vaccinations, spherical earth, etc. Their brand of faith rendered their minds impervious to logic and evidence.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Those tipped over trashcans will never be the same.
Also, what does Marxism have to do with anything? What does denouncing police corruption and misconduct have to do with workers controlling the means of production?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
If they could tell fact from fiction, they would cease to be evangelicals.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
I don't condone violence (except in self-defense), vandalism, or theft regardless of who's doing it, so there goes that whataboutism.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Yuck. But what power or influence do they actually have in that regard? Like the video said, most people don't even know who these women are nor do they associate "BLM" with Marxism. Tipping over trashcans isn't going to cause Marxism to sweep the nation.
Truth in love
Well-Known Member
That would make you the first.
I’ve lost count of how many condemn the right and condone the left for the same behaviors.
Truth in love
Well-Known Member
You would be person 2 who stays that.
One of the women in the video said she was a "trained Marxist." What the heck is a "trained" Marxist?
It's an old tactic to associate the Civil Rights movement with communism. John Edgar Hoover was on some kind of vendetta against Martin Luther King because he thought he was a communist. I don't think King himself was a communist, but he might have had some supporters who happened to be communists. But that, in and of itself, would not prove that the movement was some kind of communist plot. The cause of Civil Rights was much bigger than that, and the actual input and influence by actual communists seems minimal, at best.
Looking back, maybe communists should have been running the show back then, and then maybe we wouldn't have the problems we're having now. Oh well, 20/20 hindsight.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Conservatives calling anything they either don't like or understand "communism" or "socialism" is a time honored tradition.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
To be honest, I only know less than a handful of other Democrats, whom I met online, and none of them condone the violence committed by other people on the left. As a matter of fact, they all speak against it. While I can't honestly say that there aren't any Democrats who don't condone violence, I can say with genuine honesty that I personally know or have encountered online plenty of Trump-loving conservatives (including Christians and my own relatives) who have not only condoned the violence on Jan.6., but have also encouraged violence against President Biden, the Democrats, and Never Trump Republicans who dare to oppose Donald Trump.
For the record, I don't condone the violence committed by people on the left either, and I'm on the left. I have only been a Democrat since the fall of 2018, but I was a loyal conservative and a registered Republican for 24 years before I abandoned the Republican Party after Trump and his supporters hijacked it and took control of it. I joined the Democratic Party shortly before the 2018 midterms.
I don't know of any other Democrats living here in this rural Texas town. I have listened into quite a few political discussions around town and I've never overheard anyone say that they're a Democrat and they voted for Biden. That being said, I've never actually asked because it was clear to me that the entire discussion was dominated by very loyal Trump supporters. I've never participated in any of these political discussions either, because I know better than to talk politics in public in this town. I'm well aware that I'm surrounded by very loyal Trump supporters in this rural town and revealing that I'm a Democrat and I voted for President Biden is just asking for trouble and divulging this very unpopular information about myself would be like putting a gigantic bullseye on my forehead.
I've already been ostracized by my Trump-loving family for refusing to support him, daring to speak out against him, daring to register to vote as a Democrat, and voting for Joe Biden. As it turns out, being a Democrat and voting for Biden was an unforgivable sin in their eyes, horrific enough to shun me and ostracize me from the entire family. I don't want to bring down that hatefulness upon myself, my husband, and our kids in the town we live in, so I don't participate in these discussions I overhear while I'm out and about in town.
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Subduction Zone
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Hah! Slowpoke! I dumped the party when Trump was the clear winner of the nomination.
Seriously it is difficult to leave one's political party. I had been getting more and more disappointed with them . Trump just made it very very easy to cut the ties.
Yeah, that'll certainly endear those poor white folks to you and make them want to listen to your message.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
I finally gave in and left the Republican Party after enduring two and a half years of verbal abuse, bullying, and harassment by Trump supporters, which included relatives on both sides of my family and other conservatives that I've known for years. Unfortunately, the verbal abuse, the bullying, and the harassment increased substantially after I voted for Biden. I had to block the phone numbers of some of my relatives and former conservative friends, and a few of them on Facebook. But one of the worst experiences for me was having to call the police on my cousin because he threatened to physically hurt me after he found out that I voted for Biden. I had a couple of relatives who still associated with me on occasion, but personal circumstances caused me to burn these bridges down too.
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Are you for real?! America was a warzone for a few months in 2020. I was there and saw it myself.
For example:
And that was just towards the beginning of it. It was total chaos and caused a few billion dollars in damage, far surpassing any other civil unrest in US history. About 25 people died, too.
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Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Maybe I can entice them into taking my point of view into consideration by offering them some chaw.