Vision of Hell

[slave2six]

Wow, so now you are subscribing all Christians too what FFH thinks. Just about every Christian on this Forum refutes FFH and his belief to being what he belief and in no way effects all of Christianity.

Yes. Regardless that FFH is an extremist, the basic premise is in fact there (e.g. the lake of fire and eternal damnation for those who are not "chosen" or whatever). Indeed, the entire purpose of Christ's life/death is reconciliation with God and avoidance of Hell. In order to believe this you have to believe there is a literal Hell (a concept that is abhorrent and disgusting) and you have to believe that all humans are born with a "sin nature" which means that you also have to buy into this idea that God has cursed the entire human race based on a first-offence disobedience by the first two humans. And if you don't take that story literally then the entire thing falls apart from the get-go.

No matter how you look at it, it's psychotic. FFH and those like hime are simply unable to mask their psychosis. It is just nice to see the unvarnished reality of the thing.

 

[Heneni]

I find all of this a little ironic.

Why is it, that people who are OK, with life sentences for crimes committed in this world, does not approve of a god who will do the same to those who have committed crimes against god. Why dont we just all forgive the folk for their sins, and let them go? Why put them in jail for life. If there is only this life, then a life sentence is basically an eternity for that person.

Im not trying to argue the concept of hell here, im not trying to argue period. But you have to wonder why people who dismiss hell so quickly would not really if push comes to shove forgive the person who kills on earth, and would prefer a life sentence rather than forgiveness which they have a pretty good hunch...wont be justice or wont make up for what the person did, or wont be a realistic approach.

I mean, can you judge god and his 'hell' without judging this world and their lifetime jail sentences.

 

[Azakel]

Yes. Regardless that FFH is an extremist, the basic premise is in fact there (e.g. the lake of fire and eternal damnation for those who are not "chosen" or whatever). Indeed, the entire purpose of Christ's life/death is reconciliation with God and avoidance of Hell. In order to believe this you have to believe there is a literal Hell (a concept that is abhorrent and disgusting) and you have to believe that all humans are born with a "sin nature" which means that you also have to buy into this idea that God has cursed the entire human race based on a first-offence disobedience by the first two humans. And if you don't take that story literally then the entire thing falls apart from the get-go.

No matter how you look at it, it's psychotic. FFH and those like hime are simply unable to mask their psychosis. It is just nice to see the unvarnished reality of the thing.

Sorry to tell you this but there are many Christians that doesn't believe such things. Maybe it would be a good idea to understand Christian a bit more and not just the Mainstream extremist crap that people like FFH post. I my not be a Christian, or even believe that Jesus is the the savior of mankind or that there god is the one true god, but I do know that at lest in today's world it seems that the term Christian is like that of Pagan. It's to broad a term now-a-days really(yes except that one still must believe in Jesus other then that there's a lot to it).

 

[Azakel]

I find all of this a little ironic.

Why is it, that people who are OK, with life sentences for crimes committed in this world, does not approve of a god who will do the same to those who have committed crimes against god. Why dont we just all forgive the folk for their sins, and let them go? Why put them in jail for life. If there is only this life, then a life sentence is basically an eternity for that person.

Well for one thing, we doen't torture people in Hell in anyway, let alone in a Lake O' Fire.
Think about it.

I mean, can you judge god and his 'hell' without judging this world and their lifetime jail sentences.

Yes, like I said above, we don't torture the people in Jail for there Life Time Sentence.

 

[FFH]

I find all of this a little ironic.

Why is it, that people who are OK, with life sentences for crimes committed in this world, does not approve of a god who will do the same to those who have committed crimes against god. Why dont we just all forgive the folk for their sins, and let them go? Why put them in jail for life. If there is only this life, then a life sentence is basically an eternity for that person.

Im not trying to argue the concept of hell here, im not trying to argue period. But you have to wonder why people who dismiss hell so quickly would not really if push comes to shove forgive the person who kills on earth, and would prefer a life sentence rather than forgiveness which they have a pretty good hunch...wont be justice or wont make up for what the person did, or wont be a realistic approach.

I mean, can you judge god and his 'hell' without judging this world and their lifetime jail sentences.

Exactly...

Hell is like an earthly jail system. In hell there are also jail cells, chains, shackles, etc.

Hell holds captive the most dangerous sinners imaginable, people who destroy other people's lives, WITHOUT remorse.

Should they not be held captive, to protect the innocent and the godly ???

 

[Heneni]

Well for one thing, we doen't torture people in Hell in anyway, let alone in a Lake O' Fire.
Think about it.

I disagree, when you put a pedophile in jail, he is tortured everyday for not being able to put his hands on a little boy or watch someone else do it. You have taken away his power to do what he desires most. That sounds like torture.

Heneni

 

[Azakel]

And torture. The two are nothing alike, those who think that they are, are sick people following a god that makes claims about love, then will throw people in Fire for even the smallest of things(like not believing in him).

 

[Azakel]

I disagree, when you put a pedophile in jail, he is tortured everyday for not being able to put his hands on a little boy or watch someone else do it. You have taken away his power to do what he desires most. That sounds like torture.

Heneni

Not even close.

 

[Heneni]

Not even close.

How so?

Do you think murderers and pedophiles and rapists and the like enjoy not being able to do it in prison? Of course they dont, that is why many of them get up to many sick things even in prison. They NEED to do what they desire the most.

 

[Heneni]

And torture. The two are nothing alike, those who think that they are, are sick people following a god that makes claims about love, then will throw people in Fire for even the smallest of things(like not believing in him).

So then you think our society is sick also for throwing people in jail for life?

Never mind what GOD claims to be, love, those who dont believe in him figure they can love regardless of god...so why dont they shut down all of the jails and let people just get on with it?

 

[Azakel]

How so?

Do you think murderers and pedophiles and rapists and the like enjoy not being able to do it in prison? Of course they dont, that is why many of them get up to many sick things even in prison. They NEED to do what they desire the most.

The Tortures not even on the same Level. First you make it seem like those people in there for Murder or Rape feel tortured because they can't do it any more, you have no proof of those feeling for them to being with. Second, No matter what version of Hell you go with, Lake 'O Fire, FFH's Chains, Whips, Cells, and beatings(which sounds more like a S n' M House), or even if you use Dante Alighieri's version of Hell it is seen as a place of physical torture, being beaten, cut, slashed, ripped a part, feed filth and and all that is nothing like just being locked away.

 

[Gentoo]

A large difference I see between Hell and jail, is that Hell lasts forever and jail only does until you're either set free or die. There is an escape from jail, but not from an eternal Hell... yet it's still somehow seen as "fair judgement" :sarcastic

 

[Azakel]

So then you think our society is sick also for throwing people in jail for life?

No, not at all. Those that threaten the life of other need to be removed. If you can't live with other and care going to hurt them like that, you have no right to be around.

Never mind what GOD claims to be, love, those who dont believe in him figure they can love regardless of god...so why dont they shut down all of the jails and let people just get on with it?

Get on with it, yeah. Let's see you say that the next time someone hurt a member of your family. Then lets see how you fell about them just going on with it.

 

[FFH]

A large difference I see between Hell and jail, is that Hell lasts forever and jail only does until you're either set free or die. There is an escape from jail, but not from an eternal Hell... yet it's still somehow seen as "fair judgement" :sarcastic

Getting out of hell is contingent upon REPENTANCE.

Apparently MILLIONS do not want to REPENT, so they will be in hell, when they die, and will remain in hell, as long as they are UNWILLING to repent.

Should a MURDERER, who is UNWILLING to REPENT (STOP MURDERING), be let out of jail on earth or out of hell when he dies ???

The same principle that applies on earth, for murderers, who are jailed for life, applies in the next life.

That's why hell is called ETERNAL.

 

[Katzpur]

Attention all Christians who have posted on this thread: I want to thank you so much for reinforcing for me the absolute need to abandon the Christian faith. There are not words in any human language to adequately describe how utterly pathetic the entire philosophy behind Christianity is and how much I pity those of you who subscribe to such utter nonsense. If there is a heaven and it is people like you who will enter it, I have to believe that Saint Peter is actually the head custodian of the eternal mental institution and that he hands out straight-jackets to all those who enter the pearly gates. No thanks!

I'll tell you what's not only pathetic but irrational, bigoted and flat out stupid -- judging the beliefs of 2 billion people on the basis of what a few extremist nut jobs have to say. I'm a Christian and I don't believe 99% of what FFH has said. You pity me; I pity you. But at least I can say that I base my opinion of you on something you've said and not on what some other anti-religionist has said.

 

[Gentoo]

Getting out of hell is contingent upon REPENTANCE.

Apparently MILLIONS do not want to REPENT, so they will be in hell when they die and will remain in hell as long as they are UNWILLING to repent.

Should a MURDERER, who is UNWILLING to REPENT (STOP MURDERING), be let out of jail on earth or out of hell when he dies ???

The same principle that applies on earth, for murderers, who are jailed for life, applies in the next life.

That's why hell is called ETERNAL.

1 Nephi 9:16

And assuredly, as the Lord liveth, for the Lord God hath spoken it, and it is his eternal word, which cannot pass away, that they who are righteous shall be righteous still, and they who are filthy shall be filthy still; wherefore, they who are filthy are the devil and his angels; and they shall go away into everlasting fire, prepared for them; and their torment is as a lake of fire and brimstone, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever and has no end.

D&C 19:11-12
Eternal punishment is God’s punishment.
Endless punishment is God’s punishment.


That sounds pretty eternal to me.

 

[slave2six]

Im not trying to argue the concept of hell here, im not trying to argue period. But you have to wonder why people who dismiss hell so quickly would not really if push comes to shove forgive the person who kills on earth...

Well, for one, eternity is a pretty long time. For another, supposedly people are going to be different in the afterlife (that is that the Christians claim that they will no longer have the sin nature that plagues them here); why would God choose to make one group of people infallible and not another? This has nothing to do with "forgiveness" as we understand it here. If we forgive a serial killer, he is not fundamentally changed into a good person. However, if God is going to fundamentally change some people and not others, doesn't that seem a bit wrong to you?

 

[slave2six]

Sorry to tell you this but there are many Christians that doesn't believe such things. Maybe it would be a good idea to understand Christian a bit more and not just the Mainstream extremist crap that people like FFH post. I my not be a Christian, or even believe that Jesus is the the savior of mankind or that there god is the one true god, but I do know that at lest in today's world it seems that the term Christian is like that of Pagan. It's to broad a term now-a-days really(yes except that one still must believe in Jesus other then that there's a lot to it).

Well, if you want to say that a person likes the nice things that Jesus taught and ignores all the bad scary stuff and they still want to call themselves Christians, that's another matter. But it is not what the word "Christian" means or has ever meant until maybe the last 20 years or so. True Christians take the Gospels as truth and you can't choose the beatitudes while ignoring Matthew 25 and other places like that. I am the son of a Christian pastor who became a priest and I have spent over 40 years in the Christian church (not extremist either) and I know what I'm talking about. Those people who want to go about calling themselves Christians but who cherry-pick the stuff that they like are, as you say, more pagan than Christian.

 

[slave2six]

Yes, like I said above, we don't torture the people in Jail for there Life Time Sentence.

Personally, I think a death sentence is far kinder than life in prison. But that's just me.

 

[Sunstone]

If I thought people went anywhere after death then I would think people who believe in hell go to what they believe in after death.