Vision of Hell

[mickiel]

I wasn't serious with that post. None of FFH's thread deserves my seriousness. It was a joke based on what he himself has said before. You do understand what a joke is don't you?

I understand sarcasm and the like, but I was not, am not, joking. Silly inncorrect information is passed down through joking too. FFH's is a common example of the seduction of the christian mind, I see all kinds of error in her thinking, and even worse, the influence of the Darkness, as it manifest itself to people as being the light.

Listen, belief in eternal hell suffering is racism towards unbelievers. They are telling sinners that they willnot make, because they are sinners. The believers are sinners too, but they think God favors them. Just as many whites think Jesus was white, all the characthers of the bible were white, even God himself is white.

And nothing could be further from the truth. People are more comfortable with lies than they are the truth.

Peace.

 

[YmirGF]

This is a DEMON buster, while listening to this link below, I saw a dark/black figure leave the room.

I find this comment to be deeply troubling, Michael. Are you are seeing demonic figures often? Would you care to explain why that is for the edification of our home audience. I think your explanation would be very instructive - on several levels.

 

[mickiel]

I find this comment to be deeply troubling, Michael. Are you are seeing demonic figures often? Would you care to explain why that is for the edification of our home audience. I think your explanation would be very instructive - on several levels.

I didnot make this statement, FFH did, so why don't you ask her, get your accusations straight.

I have NEVER seen a Spirit being, be that demon or angel.

I repeat, for those of you who have trouble attribiting the correct things to the right author, I have NEVER seen a demon or an Angel, or God, or Christ, or ANY characther mentioned in the bible.

And listen, for the record, I don't believe anyonelse has either, not in this age, or since Christ death.

Peace.

 

[FFH]

I wasn't serious with that post. None of FFH's thread deserves my seriousness. It was a joke based on what he himself has said before. You do understand what a joke is don't you?

Different races of people have been seen in heaven and in hell.

Race makes this world BEAUTIFUL, more COLORFUL, more INTERESTING.

If there were no races, different shapes and colors of people, it SURELY would be a BORING world.

 

[FFH]

I find this comment to be deeply troubling, Michael. Are you are seeing demonic figures often? Would you care to explain why that is for the edification of our home audience. I think your explanation would be very instructive - on several levels.

It was just VERY quick, NEVER seen any black figures before in my life, only white ones.

I have, however seen a demon appear in grey scale, in black and white, with a BEAUTIFUL face, ready to deceive me, but I felt his feelings of DESPAIR, HOPELESSNESS, of PAIN and I quickly rejected him and he QUICKLY left, that was 23 years ago and I've NEVER seen a demon since, until the other day, I just saw a QUICK flash of a dark figure leave the room. He was lurking, but he QUICKLY left.

When you are discussing hell, satan and his demons are UPSET, cuz they don't want ANYONE on earth to know about the REALITIES of hell. They want to HIDE it from us all.

The GIGS up, the TRUTH's out NOW, and there's NOTHING they (satan and his angels) can do about it, so they left in a rage.

We all have demons and angels surrounding us.

According to our actions and prayers towards good, we have the help of ANGELS from HEAVEN.

On the contrary, if we give into sin, then satan and his demonic angels attack with a vengeance.

Don't deceive yourself into thinking there are no demons or angels about EACH ONE OF US.

God has DESIGNED it that way.

The threat of evil and hell, and the BLESSINGS OF HEAVEN, are set BEFORE EACH of US, at ALL TIMES and in ALL PLACES.

Which will we choose ????????????

LISTEN to this series of teachinsg BELOW and the DEMONS will FLEE in all directions FROM YOUR LIFE.

I also listen to the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants, to kick satan and his demons out of my life.

This link below works really good too.

Try it out, what have you got to lose ???

This stuff below is not about hell, it's about the stupidity of man, and his wisdom, verses God, and his wisdom.

Part 1 The Wisdom of God and The Wisdom of this World
Part 2 The Wisdom of God and The Wisdom of this World
Part 3 The Wisdom of God and The Wisdom of this World
Part 4 The Wisdom of God and The Wisdom of this World
Part 5 The Wisdom of God and The Wisdom of this World
Part 6 The Wisdom of God and The Wisdom of this World
Part 7 The Wisdom of God and The Wisdom of this World
Part 8 The Wisdom of God and The Wisdom of this World
Part 9 The Wisdom of God and The Wisdom of this World
Part 10 The Wisdom of God and The Wisdom of this World
Part 11 The Wisdom of God and The Wisdom of this World
Part 12 The Wisdom of God and The Wisdom of this World

 

[tomspug]

What exactly does listening to/watching these links you are giving us supposed to accomplish? For that matter, what benefit are you getting yourself from these meditations?

 

[Azakel]

I didnot make this statement, FFH did, so why don't you ask her, get your accusations straight.

Yeah, he did. Michael is FFH's real name. Maybe you should look at the spelling of the name before you jump to such assumptions.

 

[Azakel]

Different races of people have been seen in heaven and in hell.

Race makes this world BEAUTIFUL, more COLORFUL, more INTERESTING.

If there were no races, different shapes and colors of people, it SURELY would be a BORING world.

Such ignorant thinking is what splits the world in Hate. There is only one Race and that is Mankind.
Edit: Different Culture and Ethnic groups are a different thing then race. The whole idea of a different Race is something that Racist and people that wish to feel superior to other came up with(and sadly it's been around for a long time in the history of man). And it's time we stop it.

 

[YmirGF]

I didnot make this statement, FFH did, so why don't you ask her, get your accusations straight.

I have NEVER seen a Spirit being, be that demon or angel.

I repeat, for those of you who have trouble attribiting the correct things to the right author, I have NEVER seen a demon or an Angel, or God, or Christ, or ANY characther mentioned in the bible.

And listen, for the record, I don't believe anyonelse has either, not in this age, or since Christ death.

Peace.

I can assume from this drivel that reading comprehension is not one of your stronger attributes?
Some may see the hysteria over comments not directed at you as being evidence of your own pathology.

 

[Heneni]

Well, for one, eternity is a pretty long time. For another, supposedly people are going to be different in the afterlife (that is that the Christians claim that they will no longer have the sin nature that plagues them here); why would God choose to make one group of people infallible and not another? This has nothing to do with "forgiveness" as we understand it here. If we forgive a serial killer, he is not fundamentally changed into a good person. However, if God is going to fundamentally change some people and not others, doesn't that seem a bit wrong to you?

I dont know how much easier god was suppose to make it. :help:Believe in him and you are saved. No human judge will do that, he wont tell you believe in me and I will acquit you and change you from within. Yet god does. Now all you have to do is believe. How hard can it be? Apparantly the hardest thing for many.

PS: The bible also does not indicate that people didnt KNOW there is a god, they simply exhanged what they know for a lie and become deluded.

Heneni

 

[FFH]

What exactly does listening to/watching these links you are giving us supposed to accomplish? For that matter, what benefit are you getting yourself from these meditations?

Whenever you listen to the words of Jesus Christ in scripture, or in ANY other revelation from God, you're casting out satan from your thoughts by placing the thoughts of God in.

Put God in your mind and satan and his demons will leave.

Scriptures are the living word of God, but if they are translated incorrectly, like the KING JAMES, then it will DO NO GOOD.

That's why I only listen to the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and ONLY read the JOSEPH SMITH TRANLSTAION/INSPIRED VERSION of the Bible.

They are all DEMON BUSTERS !!!!!!!

 

[FFH]

Mickiel,

My name is MICHAEL (FFH).

YmirGF (Paul) was referring to me.

 

[Heneni]

So then you think our society is sick also for throwing people in jail for life?

Never mind what GOD claims to be, love, those who dont believe in him figure they can love regardless of god...so why dont they shut down all of the jails and let people just get on with it?

A large difference I see between Hell and jail, is that Hell lasts forever and jail only does until you're either set free or die. There is an escape from jail, but not from an eternal Hell... yet it's still somehow seen as "fair judgement" :sarcastic

If you dont like that wages, then stop working for it. You know....if you go to work and do your thang, you get a salary. Sin is something you do, and has a salary, so quite now or retire. God would be unjust to not give you what you worked for. Unless...you want a change in boss. If you work for god (or he works through you) your wages is righteousness.

Torture is being strapped to a rack and having all your limbs stretched until your bones pop out of their sockets - or having acid poured on you - bamboo chutes under the finder nails - being doused in water then hooked up to a battery and being shocked. That's torture. Or, burning in a lake of fire forever...

No torture is not having the power to do evil.

A bigot is a person who is obstinately and irrationally, often intolerantly, devoted to his or her own religion, political party, organization, belief, or opinion, especially one who regards or treats those of differing devotion with hatred and intolerance.[1] Bigotry is the corresponding mindset or action.

Yeh there are many people who are not christians that are irrational, intolerant to christianity, devoted to themselves and they think they are not bigots.....

Whether or not Hell is eternal for a god to send somewhere there to torture them in till they repent seem sick and twisted. But then again what does one expect from a Tribal god anyway.

Maybe its cause you think god is goint to put you in a cage and torture you personally. The torture in hell is precisely because no evil can be done there. Do you imagine god is going to make a personal appearance in hell to torture you? HEHEHEH....or do you think satan will torture you for him. He will certainly get a kick out of that, but he is also where the evil people are, and they are all misserable for not being able to do evil. WEEPING and GRINDING of teeth.

God is good all the time...satan and you are not. Get it?

 

[FFH]

This link I've put together will play this series in it's entirety automatically.

THE WISDOM OF GOD VERSES THE WISDOM OF MAN

You just have to hit the "play all" button, off to the right.

 

[FFH]

If you dont like the wages, then stop working for it. You know....if you go to work and do your thang, you get a salary. Sin is something you do, and has a salary, so quite now or retire. God would be unjust to not give you what you worked for. Unless...you want a change in boss. If you work for god (or he works through you) your wages is righteousness.

Good stuff.

The wages of sin is death.

The wages of righteousness is life eternal.

 

[gwk230]

Yeh there are many people who

Yes I agree, and there are many who are christians that are irrational, intolerant to other beliefs, devoted to themselves and they think they are not bigots.....

 

[rageoftyrael]

umm. heneni, i hate that argument. Now, maybe back in the day, everyone knew there was a god. And then you could choose to not believe(don't see how, but okay). But in these good ol' days, there isn't any evidence of a god. So, it ain't so easy, is it? Not for reasonable people who want some evidence of something's existence. It's easy in theory, if you are willing to ignore the complete lack of any evidence or proof in favor of just believing, for personal gain, then you are good. Most atheists won't do that. And we are bad people for it? I'm not saying religious people are bad, it's usually you guys saying we are bad.

 

[slave2six]

I don't know how much easier god was suppose to make it.

You're kidding, right? Please say that you are.

Believe in him and you are saved. No human judge will do that, he won’t tell you believe in me and I will acquit you and change you from within. Yet god does. Now all you have to do is believe. How hard can it be? Apparently the hardest thing for many.

For starters, if a judge did make that kind of claim and yet left the offender in the same state that he was in (e.g. he did not cure him of whatever it was the caused him to commit a crime in the first place) we would throw that judge out on his ear. Secondly, God is nowhere to be found and all tales about him are woven in mystery. Not a very tenable argument to trust him when he fails to reveal himself. Finally, conditional absolution such as you claim that god offers is ultimately nothing short of an attempt to manipulate people (and if you believe in free will then manipulation is the best that you can hope for). Your argument is basically that God created conditions in which mankind is at odds with him and that he holds out a carrot for people to escape eternal damnation. What the heck good is that? Being omnipotent, there is no need to create the conditions of "fallen man" in the first place, much less to then hide from humanity and then torture those from whom he has hidden. That is just too psychotic to me.

PS: The bible also does not indicate that people didn't KNOW there is a god, they simply exchanged what they know for a lie and become deluded.

It also says, "Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him?" and other such nonsense (note the picture of "Jesus" above). The Bible is replete with idiotic proclamations. Why should any rational person put any weight into what it says?

 

[slave2six]

The wages of sin is death. The wages of righteousness is life eternal.

In which case the entirety is based on good behaviour and there is therefore no need of a "saviour" of any sort. Either you behave well or you don't. Why all the fuss over reconciliation, human and animal sacrifices as a means of atonement and all that nonsense. Indeed, why not simply say that the entire system is nothing more or less than the golden rule and heave everything else into the rubbish bin where it belongs?

But your religion is about fear. You fear the "antichrist" and all that rot. You fear God because he created Hell and is going to throw people into it. It's all a lot of reactionary nonsense based on fear of something that is unknowable and unprovable. And that fear has been a form of control for time immemorial..

No thanks. I opt out of thoughtless, irrational fears. There's enough real stuff to worry about.

 

[slave2six]

Whenever you listen to the words of Jesus Christ in scripture, or in ANY other revelation from God, you're casting out satan from your thoughts by placing the thoughts of God in.

Put God in your mind and satan and his demons will leave.

Scriptures are the living word of God, but if they are translated incorrectly, like the KING JAMES, then it will DO NO GOOD.

That's why I only listen to the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and ONLY read the JOSEPH SMITH TRANLSTAION/INSPIRED VERSION of the Bible.

They are all DEMON BUSTERS !!!!!!!

More fear mongering. This is actually getting monotonous and boring.