Vote For Romney = Vote for Satan

[FFH]

Argh, that was just the first page, (see pages 2 and 3 )

there are two other pages of listings...

So there are around 30 LDS churches within about a two square mile area, from where I'm posting..

 

[SoyLeche]

I am almost certain you're right. If you're not, I'm sure Nomy will let you know. I've never seen anyone so adept at interpreting statistics. Hmmm... maybe she's one of those actuary types.

I'm starting an online "Time series" course on Tuesday, so I've been going over my stuff from college, trying to refresh myself in how all this stuff works (aside from using some probabilities I really haven't done much statistics as an actuary - but they make us learn it anyway ). If you've got some data you want looked at, I can give it a whirl

 

[Aqualung]

Romney, as I understand it, is a pretty typical republican, all about lawfully stifling personal freedoms for the sake of morality. Interestingly, this is what Lucifer's plans entailed (albeit to a much, much higher level) when he said he would take away our free agency and guaruntee that everybody made it back to heaven.

That's just something I thought of...

 

[FFH]

By the way, I believe that the Utah missions baptize more converts then just about any other mission. They baptize a lot, at least.

It's the highest among the U.S., but not the world of course, that being South America.

It's so high in Utah because there is a fast growing Hispanic Catholic community, which is converting to LDS...

This info came to me from a South American missionary living in Draper, Utah, where some of the growth is..

We lived next to the missionaries and they would give us updates occasionally as we were chatting with them...

 

[SoyLeche]

Romney, as I understand it, is a pretty typical republican, all about lawfully stifling personal freedoms for the sake of morality. Interestingly, this is what Lucifer's plans entailed (albeit to a much, much higher level) when he said he would take away our free agency and guaruntee that everybody made it back to heaven.

That's just something I thought of...

Not really.

I've concluded that the only possible way for Lucifer's plan to have worked would be to not have any commandments - then nobody could have broken them. I'm the same person I am now as I would have been under Lucifer's plan - and I am fairly certain that it would be impossible to force me to keep the commandments against my will. If there were no commandments, though, I'd be free of sin regardless.

 

[SoyLeche]

It's the highest among the U.S., but not the world of course, that being South America.

It's so high in Utah because there is a fast growing Hispanic Catholic community, which is converting to LDS...

I'm looking mission compared to mission - not comparing Utah to South America - that would be like comparing an orange to a bushel of apples.

Although South American missions do tend to baptize a lot. We had 400 in one month while I was there.

 

[SoyLeche]

Not really.

I've concluded that the only possible way for Lucifer's plan to have worked would be to not have any commandments - then nobody could have broken them. I'm the same person I am now as I would have been under Lucifer's plan - and I am fairly certain that it would be impossible to force me to keep the commandments against my will. If there were no commandments, though, I'd be free of sin regardless.

Sorry, but I wanted to continue this thought.

I think what you are saying is essentially that Romney (read: typical Republican) wants to make immoral things against the law. The result of that is that you have increased the ways in which you can break the law.

That type of thinking doesn't fly with a "nobody will sin" mentality. If you have increased the ways you can sin, you have also increased the probability that someone will sin. The only way to ensure that "nobody will sin" is if there are no rules to break. If there were no laws then everything anyone would ever do would be legal.

 

[FFH]

Romney, as I understand it, is a pretty typical republican, all about lawfully stifling personal freedoms for the sake of morality. Interestingly, this is what Lucifer's plans entailed (albeit to a much, much higher level) when he said he would take away our free agency and guaruntee that everybody made it back to heaven.

That's just something I thought of...

We need to have a lawful moral society, which the U.S. government should be responsible for establishing...

Read our doctrine concerning abortion and it is, of course, much more concervative than what is currently U.S. law, in most, if not all states...

Romney would help to bring that standard up to an LDS standard, if he could...

 

[FFH]

I'm looking mission compared to mission - not comparing Utah to South America - that would be like comparing an orange to a bushel of apples.

Although South American missions do tend to baptize a lot. We had 400 in one month while I was there.

yeah, I remember the missionaries saying that the Salt Lake City, and surrounding area, Utah mission was experiencing the highest rate of baptism at the time. That was about 3 years ago when he said that...and I can't remember if he said in the world or the U.S.

We need to look it up and see...

Will google it..

 

[FFH]

Sorry, but I wanted to continue this thought.

I think what you are saying is essentially that Romney (read: typical Republican) wants to make immoral things against the law. The result of that is that you have increased the ways in which you can break the law.

That type of thinking doesn't fly with a "nobody will sin" mentality. If you have increased the ways you can sin, you have also increased the probability that someone will sin. The only way to ensure that "nobody will sin" is if there are no rules to break. If there were no laws then everything anyone would ever do would be legal.

Yeah, we can't equate Romney with Satan, if he's successful in establishing stricter U.S. laws..

If one does that then you might as well equate God with Satan for establishing the 10 commandments...

God establishes the law and allows us to brake those laws, but we are not free to choose the punishment for breaking those laws.

The U.S. government serves us the same way. They should be engaged in establishing God's laws, and affixing a punishment equal to breaking those laws...

Satan on the other hand would have taken away our choice to even break God's laws...

We would have all benn forced to live God's laws whether we wanted to or not...

That's the irony of the whole thing...

Satan is an idiot...he wanted to force us all to obey God's laws whether we wanted to or not...

What a dope..and he got kicked out of heaven for suggesting such a plan...

Satan's plan would have been entitled "The Plan of Misery"

God's plan is known as "The Plan of Happiness"

Remember there are no choices in Hell, at least while one is there...

At least now we have the freedom to choose to obey God's laws or break them..

There are plenty of places in the world that have "looser" laws than the U.S.

Anyone who has a beef with U.S. laws needs to live in a foreign country and experience what life is like with "looser" laws.. It's no good. Been throughout Europe and Asia and the spirit of God is felt to a much lesser degree in those lands, especially in Asia. It really weighs on you and you can feel that spirit very strongly when returning to the states..

They will definitely become much more "tight" with each year Mitt is in office..

 

[FFH]

Yeeuuup, takin' over...

Statistics of the Church for end of 2006 ​

Church Membership
Total membership: 12,868,606
United States(approx.): 5,690,672
Non-U.S.(approx): 7,100,328
Male: 47 %
Female: 53 %
Increase of children: 94,006(2005)
Membership Distribution (31 December 2005):
Canada - 1172,433
United States - 5,690,672
Mexico - 1,043,718
Caribbean - 143,451
Central America - 541,445
South America - 2,987,485
Europe - 244,055
Asia - 892,618
Africa - 237,401
South Pacific - 403,644 ​

Church Units(2006)
Stakes: 2,745
Districts: 630
Missions: 344
Wards/Branches: 27,475
Nations and teritories: 170 ​

Mission Field
Full-time missionaries: 53,164
Converts: 272,845
Languages: 175 ​

Temples
Total: 134
Operating: 124
Announced/under construction: 10
Temples dedicated in 2006: 4 ​

The Book of Mormon; Another Testament of Jesus Christ
Over 120,000,000 copies distributed since 1830
Approximately 4,686,231 copies distributed in 2003
106 languages in print ​

FFH footnote
Three wards (groups of about 500 people in each ward, at least in Utah) meet at three different times in each ward/church building, so you could say there are a minimum of 9,000 churches, because in places like Japan, and other parts of the world, only one ward, or group of people, meet in each church, since the amount of members will be much less concentrated in other parts of the world...​

 

[Reverend Rick]

George Bush is considered a born again Christian.

Romney will soon be revealed/known as a Christian with the same ideals as "born again" Christians, but will build on these ideals...

There may be changes to the laws concerning abortion, meaning they will become more conservative...

If you think the Presidency is "conservative" now, it will become even more conservative with Romney in the White House...

Sounds wonderful to me.

 

[Aqualung]

Not really.

I've concluded that the only possible way for Lucifer's plan to have worked would be to not have any commandments - then nobody could have broken them. I'm the same person I am now as I would have been under Lucifer's plan - and I am fairly certain that it would be impossible to force me to keep the commandments against my will. If there were no commandments, though, I'd be free of sin regardless.

Aren't laws eternal?

 

[jonny]

Aren't laws eternal?

No. Principles are eternal. Laws are not necessarily eternal.

 

[FFH]

Sounds wonderful to me.

Whew, "breathes sigh of reilef"...didn't know how you or anyone else would respond to that post...

We really are not much different than other Christians on issues like abortion and gay marriage...just maybe a little more conservative...

 

[Bishka]

No. Principles are eternal. Laws are not necessarily eternal.

This reminds me of something that my New Testament teacher told our class. Principles are always eternal; laws and rules are temporal. Such as, the Word of Wisdom -- it is a law, but the principle of the law is that our bodies are temples and we should treat them as such. When you are able to understand the principle of the laws and rules it is much easier to keep those laws/rules.

 

[FFH]

Sounds wonderful to me.

Read this article, I found it quite interesting, short and to the point.

Great article, it surprisingly covers some key issues/questions people have about Mitt and our faith...

Mitt literally had Jerry Falwell, Franklin Graham and a bunch of other prominent evangelical Christian leaders over at his house for lunch.

Mitt Romney: America's First Mormon President?​

The New England Republican who might make it so.​

Dec. 25, 2006 - Jan. 1, 2007 issue - In late October, departing Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney huddled with a godly group. Gathered in his kitchen were 15 of the country's leading evangelicals, including giants like Jerry Falwell, Franklin Graham and Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention. They'd come to nibble sandwiches, slurp soup and quiz Romney on his faith. Why on earth should they support Romney, a Mormon, in his presidential candidacy in 2008? Richard Lee, a Baptist minister from Cumming, Ga., got to the heart of the matter. What did Romney really believe about Jesus Christ? Romney didn't hesitate. "When I say Jesus Christ is my Lord and savior, I realize that means something different to you than it does to me," he admitted. But he urged them to remember their shared beliefs: the faith that Christ was born of a virgin, was crucified and rose after three days. The ministers were pleased. "So you're really a Baptist?" Lee cracked.

For the rest of this article click on the pic above...

 

[Draka]

You know, this thread just makes me shake my head. Why some people feel it necessary to define others' beliefs for them has never been something I have understood. I can't stand when someone comes along and pretends to know more about a religion than any person who actually claims that religion as their own. Just stupid and annoying.

I also take issue with the word "cult". Those who use it in such a fashion as has been used here don't seem to realize something. There are many definitions to the word and only one of them can really be considered bad. Otherwise, all the rest of the definitions can describe pretty much any religion or faith there is. The one bad one can't be applied to Mormonism because it requires one authoritarian, charismatic, figurehead that rules over all of the people. Shoot, that fits more to Catholics than to Mormons. I realize that they have their own church heirarchy, but it's not as if they bow and kiss someone's ring and ask that person for miracles and whatnot. Certain people just need to back the heck off the Mormons for crying out loud!


Also, just a personal point here. I would not vote for Romney, not because of his religion, but because he is a republican. I don't give a flying hoot what his faith is, him being republican and being a conservative is what matters to me. That should be the only thing that matters in the long run. Where he stands on what issues. Not what he might or might not wear under his clothes or how he views Jesus.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Not all Conservative Republicans live up to the racist, sexist rhetoric. All the comments made about the Mormons make me sick. People who start talking their crap about Mormons get a reality check from me.

My favorite comment about Mitt is, He is the only candidate that has only been married to one woman.

 

[SoyLeche]

Aren't laws eternal?

What Jonny said - but this is one of the main reasons that Lucifer's plan didn't have a snowball's chance in - well, you know - of working anyway.