Voter ID laws

[InChrist]

It's the reason the republicans are doing this. THAT'S racist, and anti-democratic.

And anyway, you've missed the point. Just because the world is inconvenient doesn't excuse the government from adding to it unjustly, and unnecessarily. It is a primary obligation of our government to provide for every citizen's right to vote. It is NOT the citizens obligation to prove himself worthy of that right.

ID isn’t about worthiness, nor is having or showing ID racist.

 

[Subduction Zone]

ID isn’t about worthiness, nor is having or showing ID racist.

The bill makes it harder for poor people to vote. In Georgia a high percentage of the poor are black. .

 

[PureX]

ID isn’t about worthiness, nor is having or showing ID racist.

It's an unnecessary burden being placed on citizens to deliberately increase the likelihood that they will be unable to vote. Race is irrelevant. What is relevant is that it is not the citizen's obligation to prove he is eligible to vote. It is the state's obligation to provide for that right to all citizens.

 

[InChrist]

The bill makes it harder for poor people to vote. In Georgia a high percentage of the poor are black. .

How? Are you saying poor people don’t have driver’s licenses or ID?

 

[InChrist]

It's an unnecessary burden being placed on citizens to deliberately increase the likelihood that they will be unable to vote. Race is irrelevant. What is relevant is that it is not the citizen's obligation to prove he is eligible to vote. It is the state's obligation to provide for that right to all citizens.

I have been voting for over 40 years. I have always had to 1) declare I am a U.S. citizen and 2) show valid, current ID. So what’s the issue? That’s the way it’s always been.

 

[Subduction Zone]

How? Are you saying poor people don’t have driver’s licenses or ID?

It is harder for them to get them. It is very easy for you and me. We have cars and can easily renew them. Money is not a problem nor is transport to DMV's. When you do not have a car or cannot get off of work it is not so easy. And that is not the only thing that has been done against the poor. The law also outlawed even handing someone in line water. An unattended source can be set up. That does not help that much.

' Keith Williams, general counsel to Republican House Speaker David Ralston, told PolitiFact: "Any individual other than a worker at a polling place is prohibited from handing out water, etc., within 150 feet of a polling place or within 25 feet of the line." '

PolitiFact - The facts about Georgia’s ban on food, water giveaways to voters

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have been voting for over 40 years. I have always had to 1) declare I am a U.S. citizen and 2) show valid, current ID. So what’s the issue? That’s the way it’s always been.

There is no real reason to demand a driver's license. Why do you think that that act is necessary? An unnecessary act sometimes is only done to eliminate a certain percentage of the populace from voting.

 

[Deeje]

Not showing up is also a statement that people ought to be free to do. It's still forced.

You don't know Aussies mate.....if you don't make them...they won't do anything they don't want to do. Politics here is not what it used to be....people always wanted to argue over politics and religion in the old days, but now I thinks its all a bit of a yawn.....no one ever does what they say they will, and apparently we have nothing much to argue about because the general population is over it. If they didn't make voting compulsory, then very few would bother....and our population is relatively small compared to other countries.

The system is broken and most people know it......so from my perspective as a Christian, I will vote for God's Kingdom.....a government that I believe will do what it promises.

Politicians and used car salesmen.....well, you know. We have trouble understanding why Americans are still going crazy about politics.....? How come you aren't over it as well? You are always at war with each other....

 

[InChrist]

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It is harder for them to get them. It is very easy for you and me. We have cars and can easily renew them. Money is not a problem nor is transport to DMV's. When you do not have a car or cannot get off of work it is not so easy. And that is not the only thing that has been done against the poor. The law also outlawed even handing someone in line water. An unattended source can be set up. That does not help that much.

' Keith Williams, general counsel to Republican House Speaker David Ralston, told PolitiFact: "Any individual other than a worker at a polling place is prohibited from handing out water, etc., within 150 feet of a polling place or within 25 feet of the line." '

PolitiFact - The facts about Georgia’s ban on food, water giveaways to voters

From my understanding it is only those individuals or groups trying to influence voters that are prohibited from handing out food or water. Poll workers, friends or family may do so.


“Political organizations or advocacy groups will use the giveaways or gifts, known as “line warming,” to inappropriately influence voters in the crucial final moments before they cast their ballots. Such efforts violate the protections Georgia law has placed on campaigning near a polling location or voting line and the prohibitions on providing rewards to voters that were enacted to stop pay-for-vote schemes.”


Would Georgia Bill Expand Ban On Free Food, Water For Voters Waiting in Line? | Snopes.com

Don’t you think it’s kind of derogatory to imply that poor people or minorities are unable to get a license or ID?

 

[InChrist]

There is no real reason to demand a driver's license. Why do you think that that act is necessary? An unnecessary act sometimes is only done to eliminate a certain percentage of the populace from voting.

I think it’s necessary to show one is the actual person they claim to be when getting a ballot. Would you use the same logic for someone going into a bank to take money out of your account... no ID necessary?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think it’s necessary to show one is the actual person they claim to be when getting a ballot. Would you use the same logic for someone going into a bank to take money out of your account... no ID necessary?

It is a very poor analogy. We know the reason that you have to show your ID at a bank. People will take your money if it is not secure. No one has shown that people will take the votes of others. If voter fraud was a problem then you would have a valid point. But voter fraud appears to be a rare event. This bill takes away far more votes than cases of voter fraud. It is a miscarriage of justice as a result.

It is roughly analogous to being given a medicine that is more likely to kill you than the illness that it is supposed to prevent.

 

[thefloatingsting]

It is harder for them to get them. It is very easy for you and me. We have cars and can easily renew them. Money is not a problem nor is transport to DMV's. When you do not have a car or cannot get off of work it is not so easy. And that is not the only thing that has been done against the poor. The law also outlawed even handing someone in line water. An unattended source can be set up. That does not help that much.

' Keith Williams, general counsel to Republican House Speaker David Ralston, told PolitiFact: "Any individual other than a worker at a polling place is prohibited from handing out water, etc., within 150 feet of a polling place or within 25 feet of the line." '

PolitiFact - The facts about Georgia’s ban on food, water giveaways to voters

Can you prove it? Is there some statistic supporting that people in Black neighborhoods don’t have licenses or valid forms of identification? Just because you believe something doesn’t mean it’s true.

 

[Shaul]

Voter ID per se doesn’t require an photo ID. It could be based on biometrics.

 

[We Never Know]

There is no real reason to demand a driver's license. Why do you think that that act is necessary? An unnecessary act sometimes is only done to eliminate a certain percentage of the populace from voting.

Get a non-drivers ID. Isn't an ID required to even register to vote?

 

[We Never Know]

It is a very poor analogy. We know the reason that you have to show your ID at a bank. People will take your money if it is not secure. No one has shown that people will take the votes of others. If voter fraud was a problem then you would have a valid point. But voter fraud appears to be a rare event. This bill takes away far more votes than cases of voter fraud. It is a miscarriage of justice as a result.

It is roughly analogous to being given a medicine that is more likely to kill you than the illness that it is supposed to prevent.

"People will take your money if it is not secure."

That's just it. An ID makes most things more secure.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Get a non-drivers ID. Isn't an ID required to even register to vote?

I have no problem with proving ID when registering to vote. That is not what this law is in regards to. Every time that you vote an ID must be presented. I have not had to present an ID for decades.

 

[Subduction Zone]

"People will take your money if it is not secure."

That's just it. An ID makes most things more secure.

Once again you missed the point. People will take your money if not protected. No one has proven that there is significant voter fraud. No one is taking anyone else's vote. At least not in any significant numbers. How did you not understand this?

 

[We Never Know]

I have no problem with proving ID when registering to vote. That is not what this law is in regards to. Every time that you vote an ID must be presented. I have not had to present an ID for decades.

Maybe the fix should be a picture on voter ID cards. You have to present an ID to register to vote and get a voter ID card so why not add a picture to the voter ID card. Problem solved.

Edit. Also this way if you lose it, show up in person and get another one.

 

[We Never Know]

Once again you missed the point. People will take your money if not protected. No one has proven that there is significant voter fraud. No one is taking anyone else's vote. At least not in any significant numbers. How did you not understand this?

But it does happen even if its few. More secure is the key.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Can you prove it? Is there some statistic supporting that people in Black neighborhoods don’t have licenses or valid forms of identification? Just because you believe something doesn’t mean it’s true.

I could if I cared to. If it has not been it already has been proven.

By the way, if I prove that this bill hurts those on the lower end of the economic spectrum will you agree that it is a bad law? If you do then I will find the evidence for you. If not then you are probably just looking for an excuse to believe in a bad law that you should know is discriminatory.