War Crimes? Hatred of Light? The Story Behind the Story!

[Kenny]

 

[metis]

Hamas' attack a month ago wasn't within the usual pattern. But Israel gave Hamas the violence it wanted. Why?

I'm not sure what you're looking for.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm not sure what you're looking for.

Why does Israel give Hamas what it expects to happen? Why does Israel give Hamas what they want? Israel could do things like offer food and medical treatment for Palestinians while harvesting information about Hamas and going specifically after Hamas leaders, but instead Israel has done exactly what Hamas wanted it to do, an extreme over reaction that punishes more innocent Palestinians than Hamas members and thus priming these innocent Palestinians for radicalization as these kids just lost their own kid to IDF bombs and with the realization he himself probably doesn't have much long left to live picks up arms to do his part so other fathers won't have to bury their children. (groups like Hamas prey upon emotional vulnerabilities like that).

 

[Revoltingest]

Why does Israel give Hamas what it expects to happen? Why does Israel give Hamas what they want?

Hamas must've expected that Israel would react out
of vengeance rather than thoughtful response.
It's what they always do.
A better way for Israel would be to consider...
How does Hamas expect us to act?
Why do they want this?
What would the consequences be?
What is a better response?

 

[metis]

Why does Israel give Hamas what it expects to happen? Why does Israel give Hamas what they want? Israel could do things like offer food and medical treatment for Palestinians while harvesting information about Hamas and going specifically after Hamas leaders, but instead Israel has done exactly what Hamas wanted it to do, an extreme over reaction that punishes more innocent Palestinians than Hamas members and thus priming these innocent Palestinians for radicalization as these kids just lost their own kid to IDF bombs and with the realization he himself probably doesn't have much long left to live picks up arms to do his part so other fathers won't have to bury their children. (groups like Hamas prey upon emotional vulnerabilities like that).

Sometimes what one wants can lead to problems of their own, such as a dog chasing a bus and catching it.

What so many don't realize is that Iran has been pushing and funding this for many decades now, and because they see this as a holy war justified by what the Hadith teaches, don't expect them to give up on this. Just ask the women in Iran who didn't wear their hijabs "correctly".

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Sometimes what one wants can lead to problems of their own, such as a dog chasing a bus and catching it.

What so many don't realize is that Iran has been pushing and funding this for many decades now, and because they see this as a holy war justified by what the Hadith teaches, don't expect them to give up on this. Just ask the women in Iran who didn't wear their hijabs "correctly".

Iran? We're talking about Israel and why they are helping Hamas with recruitment instead of taking actions to protect innocent Palestinians while pursuing Hamas so those innocent Palestinians aren't tempted to join Hamas themselves.

 

[metis]

Iran? We're talking about Israel and why they are helping Hamas with recruitment instead of taking actions to protect innocent Palestinians while pursuing Hamas so those innocent Palestinians aren't tempted to join Hamas themselves.

I was just explaining where Hamas' drift was coming from and why.

There has been repeated missile attacks from them for decades now, and the missiles are getting larger and more accurate as time goes on. So, match that with the civilian Israelis that were slaughtered, what would you otherwise propose Israel do? If you were under such repeated attacks by a neighbor of yours, what would you do?

So, do I believe Israel is handling this in the best manner? No, and I strongly do not like nor trust Netanyahu.

 

[Revoltingest]

There has been repeated missile attacks from them for decades now, and the missiles are getting larger and more accurate as time goes on. So, match that with the civilian Israelis that were slaughtered, what would you otherwise propose Israel do? If you were under such repeated attacks by a neighbor of yours, what would you do?

Stop oppressing Muslims in Gaza & Israel.
This is the long rather than short term solution.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I was just explaining where Hamas' drift was coming from and why.

There has been repeated missile attacks from them for decades now, and the missiles are getting larger and more accurate as time goes on. So, match that with the civilian Israelis that were slaughtered, what would you otherwise propose Israel do? If you were under such repeated attacks by a neighbor of yours, what would you do?

So, do I believe Israel is handling this in the best manner? No, and I strongly do not like nor trust Netanyahu.

I wouldn't keep repeating the same things decade after decade after decade that has not worked to move the two groups a nanometer closer towards peace. I'd see what countries that have faced similar have done to resolve the violence. And I'd especially stop giving innocent Palestinians reason to join Hamas (its basic terrorism 101 that what Israel is doing drives recruitment for extremist groups in those countries that have faced similar).

 

[metis]

I wouldn't keep repeating the same things decade after decade after decade that has not worked to move the two groups a nanometer closer towards peace. I'd see what countries that have faced similar have done to resolve the violence. And I'd especially stop giving innocent Palestinians reason to join Hamas (its basic terrorism 101 that what Israel is doing drives recruitment for extremist groups in those countries that have faced similar).

But you haven't answered my question that I also asked myself. For example, if the U.S. was under continued missile assaults from Canada, would we just sit back and take it? If you were the pres, what would you do?

 

[metis]

What some simply don't get or get but won't deal with it is why agencies associated, supported, and armed by Iran keep aiding terrorist groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, and Islamic Jihad? Why have so many families fled the Middle East, with so many seeking refuge in the west? I had many of the students from these families, especially Chaldeans from Iraq, and they weren't fleeing the Israelis let me tell ya.

 

[Revoltingest]

But you haven't answered my question that I also asked myself. For example, if the U.S. was under continued missile assaults from Canada, would we just sit back and take it? If you were the pres, what would you do?

That's a specious straw man.
No one is advocating that Israel do nothing.

You often post criticisms of leaders who espouse
Christianity, yet behave otherwise, ie, they don't
embody Jesus's teachings.
Is your justification of Israel's human rights violations
& war crimes something that Jesus would want?

 

[Revoltingest]

I had many of the students from these families, especially Chaldeans from Iraq, and they weren't fleeing the Israelis let me tell ya.

The ones killed by Israel don't flee.
But regarding personal stories, I worked with a
Jewish broker who left Israel because of poor
treatment by Jews of his Christian wife.
Before that, they fled Russia because of
anti-semitism there. They're happier here.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But you haven't answered my question that I also asked myself. For example, if the U.S. was under continued missile assaults from Canada, would we just sit back and take it? If you were the pres, what would you do?

Why is the US under continued missle assault from Canada? Those reasons do very much determine the response.

 

[metis]

Why is the US under continued missle assault from Canada? Those reasons do very much determine the response.

You are walking around my question without addressing it: What would you do if your country was under missile attacks from another county whereas you did not attack them? Just a simple question.

 

[Revoltingest]

You are walking around my question.....

Stupid straw man questions are often best ignored.
You're still defending Israel's war crimes.
Such specious questions justify them.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You are walking around my question without addressing it: What would you do if your country was under missile attacks from another county whereas you did not attack them? Just a simple question.

It's not a simple question or trying to walk around it. Why is Canada bombing America in yiur scenario? Is it trying to annex parts of America? Is America attempting to colonize Canada? It's a very crucial thing to know why.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's not a simple question or trying to walk around it. Why is Canada bombing America in yiur scenario? Is it trying to annex parts of America? Is America attempting to colonize Canada? It's a very crucial thing to know why.

Analogies can be useful.
But that one is a non sequitur.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Analogies can be useful.
But that one is a non sequitur.

I don't see it that way. If attacked self defense is a normal and acceptable response.
But it's more nuanced than that. A bully often won't let someone retaliating "get away with it" and the bully either gets revenge or gets popped again. Mobs and gangs also aren't too big into letting people who attack them living long to tell the tale.

 

[metis]

It's not a simple question or trying to walk around it. Why is Canada bombing America in yiur scenario? Is it trying to annex parts of America? Is America attempting to colonize Canada? It's a very crucial thing to know why.

You're not answering the question, especially since innocent people are going to lose their lives either way.

All you want to do is to try and relitigate the past, but maybe get into the present and answer the simple question I posed to you. If you don't, then that tells us you don't give a diddly damn what happens to the Israelis as you're willing to let them be sitting ducks.

BTW, Hamas launched rockets overnight and hit Tel Aviv.