I asked if I was right in finally understanding your argument. Are you going to answer that?
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I asked if I was right in finally understanding your argument. Are you going to answer that?
Majikthise
nude
While I agree with FH and KT on everything they said, this debate is pretty tame compared to when there were some actual pedophiles on here trying to defend themselves.
They were trying to argue that getting off on pictures of naked children (UNDER 12) hurt no one as long as they didn't physically carry out their desires. Then they were wondering if it was ok to get off on pictures of themselves naked when theyn were children.
Point is , they wil try to weasel any way they can to be considered acceptable in mainstream society. I think this thought should sicken any person who is not a pedophile.
That said, there is so much hearsay and inconsistancy in ancient religiuos texts that it's not even worth arguing unless some one uses it to justify their actions in the here and now.
Cheers
Dan
They were trying to argue that getting off on pictures of naked children (UNDER 12) hurt no one as long as they didn't physically carry out their desires. Then they were wondering if it was ok to get off on pictures of themselves naked when theyn were children.
Point is , they wil try to weasel any way they can to be considered acceptable in mainstream society. I think this thought should sicken any person who is not a pedophile.
That said, there is so much hearsay and inconsistancy in ancient religiuos texts that it's not even worth arguing unless some one uses it to justify their actions in the here and now.
Cheers
Dan
I think I remember that thread. *shudder*
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
To what end? I've been more than clear with my points. If you want to understand what I'm saying, it's all laid out in a straightforward and clear manner.
And not all in one single post for easy reference, and in very brief sentences that are easily misread or misinterpreted. (And, to be fair, I've made that mistake before, as well.) This is apparent in the inconsistency in that post where you say that you aren't discussing the specific incident of Mohammad, and yet then say that all instances of men having sex with prepubescent girls are messed up in the head, and therefore indirectly discussing Mohammad and Aisha. It's in another post where you clear that up by stating that you essentially think we don't know anything for certain about him, and therefore you aren't judging him.
But I'm going to assume that's a "yes".
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Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Assume what you will. I can't even determine what it is that you keep trying to argue about anymore.
It doesn't really matter, anymore, since I've been defending Mohammad this whole time, and it has been determined that the most likely scenario is that he didn't have sex with a nine-year-old girl. Therefore, to put your mind at ease, I agree entirely that adult men who are sexually attracted to prepubescent children are mentally ill.
My only other argument is that it's essentially a waste of time to judge past events that have little to no direct effect on us today... but come to think of it, as a gamer, I'm a professional time waster, so who am I to judge what's a waste of time or not?
Another of my personal hypocrisies has been pinpointed, it seems.
Mia Tern
New Member
It doesn't really matter, anymore, since I've been defending Mohammad this whole time, and it has been determined that the most likely scenario is that he didn't have sex with a nine-year-old girl. Therefore, to put your mind at ease, I agree entirely that adult men who are sexually attracted to prepubescent children are mentally ill.
My only other argument is that it's essentially a waste of time to judge past events that have little to no direct effect on us today... but come to think of it, as a gamer, I'm a professional time waster, so who am I to judge what's a waste of time or not?
Hello ~ Do the actions of Muhammad in the past have any effect on the world today? I have read documentation that submits that Muhammad's actions do have a impact on the marrying age of girls within Islamic peoples. I am new to this thread and this forum. Has this been discussed in this thread yet?
Muslim (8:3309) - Muhammad consummated his marriage to Aisha when she was only nine. (See also Bukhari 58:234 and many other places). No where in the reliable Hadith or Sira is there any other age given.
Muslim (8:3311) - The girl took her dolls with her to Muhammad's house (something to play with when the "prophet" was not having sex with her).
Bukhari (6:298) - Muhammad would take a bath with the little girl and fondle her.
So, then, why was she still fighting in wars when she was under the age Mohammad prescribed for such things?
Plus, you're telling me that teenagers can't play with dolls anymore?
And another thing: you didn't even respond to what AhmadSyahir said in post 454.
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Hello ~ Do the actions of Muhammad in the past have any effect on the world today? I have read documentation that submits that Muhammad's actions do have a impact on the marrying age of girls within Islamic peoples. I am new to this thread and this forum. Has this been discussed in this thread yet?
I don't think the current marriageable age among Islamic people has been brought up, but I imagine it varies from country to country.
TheReligionofPeace.com
Guide to Understanding Islam
Muslim (8:3309) - Muhammad consummated his marriage to Aisha when she was only nine. (See also Bukhari 58:234 and many other places). No where in the reliable Hadith or Sira is there any other age given.
Muslim (8:3311) - The girl took her dolls with her to Muhammad's house (something to play with when the "prophet" was not having sex with her).
Bukhari (6:298) - Muhammad would take a bath with the little girl and fondle her.
Guide to Understanding Islam
Muslim (8:3309) - Muhammad consummated his marriage to Aisha when she was only nine. (See also Bukhari 58:234 and many other places). No where in the reliable Hadith or Sira is there any other age given.
Muslim (8:3311) - The girl took her dolls with her to Muhammad's house (something to play with when the "prophet" was not having sex with her).
Bukhari (6:298) - Muhammad would take a bath with the little girl and fondle her.
Repeating yourself is not addressing counter-points.
Well said.
I'm not going to address your points, because they already were by someone more knowledgeable than I in this matter.
Are you going to address those counters?
AhmadSyahir
Active Member
I warn you my friend. I have told you that she was not 9 years old. Don't make up story. Read the previous post. Your post is humiliation to my religion. No more of Aisha married when she was 9. Such humiliation will not be tolerated.
We should research from a reliable source. If I made a website designated to insult something, there will be no good point in my website. As a human we should realise that insulting is not proper for adult. Useless chaos is the last thing that we want. I hope everyone get the message that I'm trying to deliver.
Wow, whats next?
Religious moderation is the direct result of taking scripture less and less seriously. So why not take it less seriously still? Why not admit the Bible [or the Koran] is merely a collection of imperfect books written by highly fallible human beings.
― Sam Harris, Letter to a Christian Nation
[or the Koran] not part of Sams original quote.
...how is that in ANY way relevant to his post?
"Don't insult my way of life!"
"Yeah? Well your favorite book sucks!"
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Relevant or not, maybe more of us should admit that the Bible and the Koran are merely a collection of imperfect books written by highly fallible human beings.
It's not relevant, so whether or not we do is not important to this topic. Therefore, bringing it up is a complete waste of time.
So far, the argument that Aisha was, in fact, 14 has not been refuted, or even addressed. Therefore, the argument still stands.