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AhmadSyahir

Active Member
Relevant or not, maybe more of us should admit that the Bible and the Koran are merely a collection of imperfect books written by highly fallible human beings.

You making yourself look dumb my friend. The story about Aisha is from hadith not Al-Quran. Make yourself a point before pointing that Quran, Bible and etc. is not relevant. I have write about that hadith and I've solved the problem. Just in case, I will post it again.

Here:

Age Siti Aishah during the battle of Uhud Uhud occurred on the 15th of Shawwal, the year 3 AH / 625 AD in March of Iman Bukari says in his book: Kitabu'l-jihad wa'l-Siyar, Arabic, Chapter Ghazwi'l-Nisa 'wa qitalihinna ma `a'lrijal." Narrated Anas: on the day of Uhud ..... I saw Siti Aishah (ra) and Umm i Sulaim, they pull their lowest part of their cloth a bit to help them move. "Prophet imposing strict conditions for their to be in accordance with the Battle of Badr, Uhud and the Trench. They must be aged 15 years and above. Anyone under the age of 15 years, not allowed to attend the Battle of Badr, Uhud and Khandaq.

Narrated by Bukari in his book: Kitabu'l-maghazi, Chapter ghazwati'l-Trench wa-ahza'b hiya'l, "Ibn Umar (ra) says that the Prophet did not allow me to join the battle of Uhud because at that time I was 14 years. But in time of war the Trench, Rasulullah allowed me to join because I was 15 years old.

According to history Siti Aishah participated in the battle of Badr and Uhud. This means she is 15 years of age and above. Based on the history of Bukari clearly demonstrated;

1. Siti Aishah followed the Battle of Uhud and he had reached the age of 15 years.

2. If her age in 625 AD (3 AH) is 15 years old so she was born in 610 Comments

3. Siti Aishah married the Prophet Muhammad in AD 623 equal to 1 AH means that he is 14 years of age.
 

Skeptisch

Well-Known Member
So far, the argument that Aisha was, in fact, 14 has not been refuted, or even addressed. Therefore, the argument still stands.
Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236:
Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.
 

Skeptisch

Well-Known Member
It's not relevant, so whether or not we do is not important to this topic. Therefore, bringing it up is a complete waste of time.
Most readers will agree with you, however there may also be a few who feel, as I do, that it does not make much sense to try and interpret imperfect book written by highly fallible human beings and pretend to know that what is written is the truth. We don’t “know” what the truth is; nobody “knows” no matter how many years we spend studying these books and their content. To have too much faith in these scriptures can be very dangerous.

“Faith is powerful enough to immunize people against all appeals to pity, to forgiveness, to decent human feelings. It even immunizes them against fear, if they honestly believe that a martyr's death will send them straight to heaven.”
-- Richard Dawkins, The Selfish Gene

Here is an idea. Let’s try and have a great weekend and enjoy the magic of the real world. Let’s look into the stars on a clear night and imagine what it means knowing that many of these stars do not exist anymore and it is just their light on its way reaching us.
Also not relevant, but real, beautiful and true.
 

beenie

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Are we still arguing about this?
Unless we were actually there, we won't know for sure.
My Pakistani-born father has only a guess as to when he was born; his mom said he was born some time in the spring a couple (or was it a few) years after his brother.

Birth records are a newer phenomenon, and times clearly were different back in 7th century Arabia.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236:
Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.

Which has been demonstrated to be false, or most likely false.

Or, as it has been proposed at one point, that it's not talking about her age in terms of birth, but how long she'd been a Muslim.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Most readers will agree with you, however there may also be a few who feel, as I do, that it does not make much sense to try and interpret imperfect book written by highly fallible human beings and pretend to know that what is written is the truth. We don’t “know” what the truth is; nobody “knows” no matter how many years we spend studying these books and their content. To have too much faith in these scriptures can be very dangerous.

“Faith is powerful enough to immunize people against all appeals to pity, to forgiveness, to decent human feelings. It even immunizes them against fear, if they honestly believe that a martyr's death will send them straight to heaven.”
-- Richard Dawkins, The Selfish Gene

Here is an idea. Let’s try and have a great weekend and enjoy the magic of the real world. Let’s look into the stars on a clear night and imagine what it means knowing that many of these stars do not exist anymore and it is just their light on its way reaching us.
Also not relevant, but real, beautiful and true.

If it's not relevant, then why are you posting it? It's the same as if, in the middle of a discussion on the existence of Jesus, you randomly start ranting about the prevalence of racism in the modern world. True, and worth discussing in another place, but remember the old saying: there's a time and a place for everything.
 

MissAlice

Well-Known Member
You are quite right, in the big picture it is not relevant but what this courageous lady has to say should be relevant to all of us.

[youtube]ENWaWcRvGtM[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENWaWcRvGtM&feature=related

I don't know how true this is but I find it disturbing since I have a niece who is almost 10, that a man would want sexual relations with a 9 year old. My niece is far from a womanhood even physically. The exact age I keep getting is indeed 9 years of age. Perhaps there are differing views on this perspective among many Muslims however I have not found much to go on. I just hope this practice dies out regardless of one's religion or cultural upbringing.
 

beenie

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236:
Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.

I'd like to know this source since they can't spell "consummated". "Consumed"? :sarcastic
 
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