Was Eve justified in eating of the tree of knowledge?

[Greatest I am]

I thought the sequence was that the God told Adam not to eat of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil for surely then you will die.

The Serpent (Lucifer) points out to Eve that God is lying and you will not die if you eat of the fruit of knowledge, which she did and did not die.

The Fall represents mankind's and nature's fall into materialism. This Fall shields us from the spiritual world and opens an Abyss between Man and the Divine. The Right Hand Path of traditional Qabalah aims to restore the original harmonic relation between man and the Divine.
Lucifer-Daath, the original Serpent, represents the divine force of creation that is able to carry out the idea of creation.

Lucifer-Daath sinks down to man's level and awakens the power of creation and the sexual energy (Kundalini) in man. Thus, man can reach the knowledge which was previously only accessible to the God

An alternative theory found in the Gnostic Gospels:
-from the Gospels of Nag Hammadi: Testimonial of Truth
"the God whom most Christians worship, the God of the Hebrew Bible, is 'himself' one of the fallen angels, from whose tyranny Christ came to set human beings free. TOT (3:4-5)

- from the Reality of Rulers (Nag Hammadi)
"It is Samael and his fellow 'rulers' of the Darkness (Eph.6:12), not the true God, who formed Adam's physical body, set him to work in Paradise, "to till and cultivate it" then put him to sleep and fashioned his female partner out of his rib.

It is this God that commanded Adam not to eat of the Tree of Knowledge, which could open his eyes to the Truth.
When Adam & Eve, enlightened by the feminine spiritual principle who appeared to her in the form of the Serpent and deified them.

God threw mankind into great distraction and into a life of toil, so that humankind might be occupied with worldly affairs, and might not have the opportunity of being devoted to the Holy Spirit / Higher-Self / HGA

So, here we see Gospels indicating that the Demiurge is responsible for the 'Fall' and that the Serpent (Lucifer) has offered us an alternative Path, one not offered by the God.

Yep. Most of the old beliefs were of a fall.
They just did not understand the complexity of the myth.

That or perhaps Constantine, a tyrant, wanted to make sure that His Bible and tool of social control, manipulated the population to accept subjugation in an easier way.
Do what you are told and shut up, so to speak.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

If she ate from the tree because SHE saw it was good for herSelf ...then fine.
Kudos to Eve.



If she ate it simply because someone else suggested it?... meh.

YouTube - Helen Reddy I Am Woman LIVE Midnight Special 1975

Regards
DL

 

[Aquitaine]

Y'know, after God spending a whole week making a planet, and creating life, along with turning all of it into a rich utopia - you'd have though he'd have seen it coming, and chucked the snake out!

:bonk::bonk:

 

[Greatest I am]

Well in Gnosticism,.....eating the apple was a GOOD thing...as it revealed that "God" was not really God

A good Gnostic does not take his own Bible literally. Thank God.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Y'know, after God spending a whole week making a planet, and creating life, along with turning all of it into a rich utopia - you'd have though he'd have seen it coming, and chucked the snake out!

:bonk::bonk:

His loyal opposition, never.

Regards
DL

 

[blackout]

YouTube- I'm Every Woman

Gotta love those women... :flirt:

 

[linwood]

Ironically, the question of justification, of right and wrong, of good and evil, does not even arise until after one eats of the tree. Only after one has eaten of the tree can one look at the world through the lens of ethics and ask whether something is right or wrong.

True.
We wouldn`t even be capable of this conversation had she not eaten the fruit.

 

[Aquitaine]

His loyal opposition, never.

Regards
DL

Even if the actions and influence of that loyal opposition then becomes the root cause for every child being birthed as a "sinner", along with pretty much all of the unspeakable evil in the world, along with "justifying" the eternal torture of people in Hell?

 

[Amill]

The only reason the tree was placed there and the only reason god spoke to them of the tree was to tempt the curiosity that he placed in them. Along with allowing the snake to be there. Curiosity and skepticism are natural, if God did not provide a convincing enough argument to not eat from the tree then he should only blame himself. I think this is just one of the stories in the bible that tries to teach us to bury our curiosity and skepticism. Obviously to keep people believing.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

Was Eve justified in eating of the tree of knowledge?

I know that most consider Eve disobeying God as what lead to the so called fall of man and some say the first sin.

What most Christians over look today is that the apple was seen by all early orthodox followers of Christ as allegory for Carnal Knowledge or sex. It was having sex that brought sin into the world. This is why so many early Christians were anti sex. This is why Augustine ( the most influential christian theologian in the western church) said “The only good thing that comes out of marriage is more virgins.”

As far as I can tell there were only two sets of beliefs in the early orthodox church on the subject of sex:

-Sex is always bad.
Tatian the Assyrian (c. 120–180) said that matrimony is a symbol of the tying of the flesh to the perishable world and ascribed the invention of matrimony to the devil. He also said after Adam and eve eat the forbidden fruit ( sounds like sex to me) they became sexually aware. This is why they put there clothes on. Though sex sin entered the world. In fact Augustine believed that being sexually aroused is the clearest proof of the effect of original sin.

-Sex is ok as long as its not for fun.
The great christian thinkers Clement and Irenaeus believed that the above view was wrong, they believed the first sin was doing it too early because of sexual desire. As long as you have sex only for procreation and not lust (sexual desire) it is not a sin.

I am not anti Christian I am not saying this to put down Christians. I have the highest respect for the early Christians. They were willing to give up there all to help others. This is the truth of church History it should be looked at.

 

[EtuMalku]

Even if the actions and influence of that loyal opposition then becomes the root cause for every child being birthed as a "sinner", along with pretty much all of the unspeakable evil in the world, along with "justifying" the eternal torture of people in Hell?

Speaking as a Luciferian I find your statement appalling! :faint:
Lucifer never mass-murdered, raped, pillaged, plundered, enslaved, abused children, or killed unborn children as the Abrahamic God was recorded to have done in the Testaments.

I heavily disagree with your view of the Serpent

 

[nonbeliever_92]

yes, she was justified.

 

[OmarKhayyam]

"I heavily disagree with your view of the Serpent"

Sounds like someone has read Paradise Lost.

 

[gnostic]

Similar questions and topics that I have posed.

If you just the Genesis on its face-value, you wouldn't notice the paradox and contradictions in Genesis about Eve and the forbidden fruits.

If Eve (and Adam) have no concept of good and evil, right and wrong before they had eaten the fruits, then I don't think Eve could judge what Adam or what the serpent say were true or not?

If you can distinguish right and wrong in disobeying God's command not to eat the fruit, then how how do you really expect Eve to know the serpent was deceiving her?

I think Eve was put in the impossible position. She was damned if she did and damned if didn't take the fruit, because God have put a test that will kick them out of Eden, one way or another. God wanted them out of the Garden, because otherwise, they could not be fruitful and multiply, the 1st commandment that God gave them in Genesis 1, on the 6th day. They (humans) could not possibly dominate all the animals of the sky, earth and sea, by staying in the Garden, could they?

Christians are known for treating Eve badly, as being cause of all problems - the Original Sin. But I don't see what she did as a "sin". It remove the deception of the Garden Paradise. Without knowing right from wrong, they could not possibly survive in the real world.

The Gnostics see her as heroine, not a villainess, because the Paradise wasn't real, and could not possibly last. Enlightenment and being able to make choice, is better than being blinded by the light, and deceptive words that would make us all slaves to a despotic deimurge.

 

[gnostic]

What most Christians over look today is that the apple was seen by all early orthodox followers of Christ as allegory for Carnal Knowledge or sex. It was having sex that brought sin into the world. This is why so many early Christians were anti sex. This is why Augustine ( the most influential christian theologian in the western church) said “The only good thing that comes out of marriage is more virgins.”

There lay the problem with the Christian dogma.

If sex was indeed a sin, then why did God say and think this on the 6th day of creation:

God blessed them and said to them [the first humans], "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food." And it was so.
God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

How did the silly Christian Fathers expect to multiply without reproducing? Stem-cell cloning? Artificial Insemination?



I seriously think that the early Christian Fathers, like Augustine, are complete idiots.

 

[ayani]

GIA ~

Biblically, Eve was aware of what God had asked her to do and not do. she had freewill, and the option to listen to God rather than to anyone else.

as it turned out, the tree didn't actually give either of them a God-like understanding of good and evil as the devil had promised, or make them better people. it made them feel guilty, anxious, exposed, and alien from God. what they needed to know about the world God had made for them, God had shown them. the Bible says that God would come down and walk with Adam and Eve in the cool of the evening. heck, when you're literally walking with God and talking with God and everything is beautiful and awesome, who needs anything more?

the reason the first humans ate from that tree is because they wanted something they didn't already have. they wanted more than what God had given them, and they believed they could simply bypass God's instructions to get to it. surely God didn't really know what was best..... and surely things could only get better and more interesting if they went ahead and ate it.

not all things our ours to know, or have. just because something is possible or sounds good, doesn't mean it's benefcial.

 

[EtuMalku]

. . . as it turned out, the tree didn't actually give either of them a God-like understanding of good and evil as the devil had promised, or make them better people. it made them feel guilty, anxious, exposed, and alien from God.

Metaphorically eating of the Tree of Knowledge gave them the gnosis of a second Path.

The Tree of Life and Tree of Knowledge are esoteric lore delineating the creation of the Universe and the human soul. It describes that man can develop through different Paths.

The Right Hand Path aims to restore the original harmonic relation between man and the divine

The Left Hand Path fulfills and deepens the Fall to continue the Fall from the God in order to reach individual divinity.

It is my belief that Adam & Eve did indeed receive something extremely valuable and nothing short of god-like understanding.

 

[OmarKhayyam]

"not all things our ours to know, or have. just because something is possible or sounds good, doesn't mean it's beneficial."

This is doubtless true.:yes:

BUT

I reserve to MYSELF the right to find out for MYSELF. I will NOT take someone else's word that 'crossing that ocean is dangerous and there is nothing on the other side you want to see anyway.'

Maybe not. But I'll take that chance and find out. And be content with what I find - good or ill. What I will NOT do is submit to the judgment of some invisible fairy god-father whose existence can't be demonstrated.:no:

 

[blackout]

What most Christians over look today is that the apple was seen by all early orthodox followers of Christ as allegory for Carnal Knowledge or sex. It was having sex that brought sin into the world. This is why so many early Christians were anti sex. This is why Augustine ( the most influential christian theologian in the western church) said “The only good thing that comes out of marriage is more virgins.”

As far as I can tell there were only two sets of beliefs in the early orthodox church on the subject of sex:

-Sex is always bad.
Tatian the Assyrian (c. 120–180) said that matrimony is a symbol of the tying of the flesh to the perishable world and ascribed the invention of matrimony to the devil. He also said after Adam and eve eat the forbidden fruit ( sounds like sex to me) they became sexually aware. This is why they put there clothes on. Though sex sin entered the world. In fact Augustine believed that being sexually aroused is the clearest proof of the effect of original sin.

-Sex is ok as long as its not for fun.
The great christian thinkers Clement and Irenaeus believed that the above view was wrong, they believed the first sin was doing it too early because of sexual desire. As long as you have sex only for procreation and not lust (sexual desire) it is not a sin.

I am not anti Christian I am not saying this to put down Christians. I have the highest respect for the early Christians. They were willing to give up there all to help others. This is the truth of church History it should be looked at.

That's just nutty. Only a sexual being could recognize it's sexuality.

So god created them (us) sexual beings... why then?

 

[Mr Cheese]

A good Gnostic does not take his own Bible literally. Thank God.

Regards
DL

neither should a christian.....

Eden of course is a state of being and/or sometimes a "grade" (there I go casting pearls before swine).... what is literal truth is "exciting" for those that care...

the eden story can be seen in MANY ways....

There are kabbalist meditations on getting back to eden...

One shoudl also note, while some view the serpent as Satan(or lucifer) and lilltih,...(2 beings in one) Gnostics (some sects) saw the serpent as Sophia and Christ

Of course the eden story is largely about polarity......