Mr Cheese
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Have you ever explored Gnosticism?
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Was Eve justified in eating of the tree of knowledge?
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Have you ever explored Gnosticism?
Greatest I am
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I sometimes use the label of Gnostic Christian but most then think then that I am Christian.
They do not seem to know that a Gnostic Christian does not see God at all the way Christians do. We see white where they see black as the ancients used to say. That is why Constantine's Church killed us and burned our scriptures.
Rather the same way Hitler started off.
I find that the new Gnostics are rather too esoteric for my blood. I like logic too much.
Regards
DL
Mr Cheese
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the gospel of philip states one must have logic....or one is a fool...
the black and white thing isnt quite clear cut of course
One must also remember, Gnostics seldom actually took their cosmology seriously....
thus these "stories" of God to a Gnostic are more a way of understanding things, not the thigns themselves...so to speak....
like teachign that a cup of coffee is hot...we know its hot because we are taught so, but hot is not coffee itself.
One can be a fool with logic, too.
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
One can be a fool with logic, too.
of course.....Philip is more saying you cant just say the is pink and expect others to beleive it...
although philip has some issues with the standard sacrifice story etc...
Greatest I am
Well-Known Member
This is how I understand them as well. They also knew that all had access to the Godhead and wisdom and did not need to kow tow to a Church hierarchy.
It is no wonder that Constantine's Church hated them. He wanted sheeple and not thinking people. Much too hard to B S.
Regards
DL
Greatest I am
Well-Known Member
One can be a fool with logic, too.
It is hard to be.
He could have said that faith without facts is for fools as well.
Regards
DL
McBell
Unbound
This question does not make any sense.
What is she supposed to be justifying?
Greatest I am
Well-Known Member
Philip is more saying you cant just say the is pink and expect others to beleive it...
although philip has some issues with the standard sacrifice story etc...
I hope so. Even God did. Why have you forsaken me?
Answer, because you do not do a moral thing.
No one is to ride a scapegoat into heaven. We must all get there on our own.
Regards
DL
Greatest I am
Well-Known Member
She and consequently we, gained a moral sense.
To be as Gods, knowing good and evil.
Would you stop her and give up your moral sense?
Would you like to be as bright as a cow?
Regards
DL
McBell
Unbound
Without knowing good from evil BEFORE she ate the apple, what is there to justify?
Here you falsely equate intelligence with morality.
Sorry, but I do not buy into that myth.
Greatest I am
Well-Known Member
Can you be intelligent without the knowledge of good and evil?
Almost all issues are subject to the classification of good or evil.
If you think not, try naming a few.
Regards
DL
McBell
Unbound
Actually the question should be "can you know the difference between good and evil without intelligence"?
You seem to be arguing that one has to be intelligent to the know the difference.
I am flat out saying that one does not.
Of course, the subjectivity of "good" and "evil" is such to all but render the words useless.
Furthermore, what does this have to do with what I actually asked:
"Without knowing good from evil BEFORE she ate the apple, what is there to justify"
Seems you are more concerned with your agenda than the topic at hand.
Relevance?
Greatest I am
Well-Known Member
The issue is, was Eve justified in eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
She and we gained a moral sense.
Was it worth disobeying God?
I say yes because without this knowledge we would be as bright as cows as most issues have a good and evil side.
You wrote,
"Without knowing good from evil BEFORE she ate the apple, what is there to justify"
Disobeying God.
You wrote,
Of course, the subjectivity of "good" and "evil" is such to all but render the words useless.
Most are fairly close as to the meaning of these words. Hardly useless.
I hope you are now on the topic.
Regards
DL
Greatest I am
Well-Known Member
To show how little you can know of morality without the knowledge of good and evil.
I take it that you could not think of an issue and took the easy way with a question instead of an answer.
Regards
DL
McBell
Unbound
Yet before she ate the fruit she did not know that disobeying God was wrong.
Therefore there is nothing to justify.
They are worthless outside your groupies.
I was never off topic.
At least, not in this thread.
gnostic
The Lost One
I'd have to agree with Mestemia that intelligence have little to do with morality or this good-versus-evil thingy.
The whole good-and-evil is rather subjective. I don't think everyone's distinction of what's good and what's evil are the same. Some people would see good in the side of strength and evil as a weakness, while others would see it the other way around.
Let's face it, in today's atmosphere and in the last century, 3 largest and most powerful countries - US, Russia and China each view themselves as the side of "good", while all others are corrupted and decadence; and they used fear and propaganda. For centuries before that the 3 powerful nations were the Britain, France and Germany. And before that it was the papal Vatican who branded all others as being evils, and they tortured and burned heretics and witches.
The point is, who dictate good and evil, were in the hands of the powerful, and quite frankly I don't them.
The whole "good" and "evil" as Mestemia, is completely useless comparison and labels that we can really do without. I certainly don't want or don't like, and certainly don't trust religious people, leaders or organisations to dictate what's good and what's evil.
The whole good-and-evil is rather subjective. I don't think everyone's distinction of what's good and what's evil are the same. Some people would see good in the side of strength and evil as a weakness, while others would see it the other way around.
Let's face it, in today's atmosphere and in the last century, 3 largest and most powerful countries - US, Russia and China each view themselves as the side of "good", while all others are corrupted and decadence; and they used fear and propaganda. For centuries before that the 3 powerful nations were the Britain, France and Germany. And before that it was the papal Vatican who branded all others as being evils, and they tortured and burned heretics and witches.
The point is, who dictate good and evil, were in the hands of the powerful, and quite frankly I don't them.
The whole "good" and "evil" as Mestemia, is completely useless comparison and labels that we can really do without. I certainly don't want or don't like, and certainly don't trust religious people, leaders or organisations to dictate what's good and what's evil.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
It amazes me that "The magic apple myth" can arouse such argument.
As has been shown, the whole logic of the story is faulty.
Like the rest of Genesis, it is an elaborate invention to link God with the tough life those early writers had on earth and with their sense of morality.
In all that it has been most effective in doing this, right up to modern times
As has been shown, the whole logic of the story is faulty.
Like the rest of Genesis, it is an elaborate invention to link God with the tough life those early writers had on earth and with their sense of morality.
In all that it has been most effective in doing this, right up to modern times
Greatest I am
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