Was Islam spread by the sword?

[paarsurrey]

You have not proven any such thing.
At least, not in this thread.

Proof No.2: one may like to see post #2386 regarding peaceful spread of Islam in Aruba.
No sword has been used there.
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[paarsurrey]

Was Islam spread by the sword?
No.
For example:
Spread of Islam in Bahrain:

Islam is the state religion in Bahrain where nearly all citizens are Muslims. However, due to an influx of immigrants and guest workers from non-Muslim countries, such as India, the Philippines and Sri Lanka, the overall percentage of Muslims in the country has declined since the late 20th century. The country's 2010 census indicated that 70.2% of Bahrain's population was Muslim.[1] The ruling al-Khalifa monarchy however are Sunni.[2]

History:

Prior to Islam, the inhabitants of Qatar and Bahrain practiced Arabian paganism, worshipping idols. Islam swept the entire Arabian region in the 7th century. Muhammad sent his first envoy Al-Ala'a Al-Hadrami to Munzir ibn Sawa Al Tamimi, the ruler of the historical region of Bahrain, which extended the coast from Kuwait to the south of Qatar including Al-Hasa, Qatif, and the Bahrain Islands, in the year 628 AD, inviting him to Islam. Munzir announced his conversion to Islam and all the Arab inhabitants of Bahrain and Qatar including some Persians living in Qatar also became Muslim, heralding the beginning of the Islamic era in Bahrain.


The letter sent by Muhammad to Munzir ibn Sawa Al Tamimi, the governor of Bahrain at the time.

The Ismaili Shia sect known at the Qarmatians seized Bahrain in 899 CE, making it their stronghold and base of operations. They raided Baghdad and in 930 sacked Mecca and Medina, desecrating the Zamzam Well with the bodies of Hajjpilgrim and taking the Black Stone with them back to Bahrain where it remained for twenty years. The Qarmatians were eventually defeated by their Ismaili counterparts, the Abbasids in 976 and afterwards their power waned.

The defeat of the Qarmatian state saw the gradual wane of their revolutionary brand of Ismaili Islam. Instead, under a process encouraged by Sunni rulers over the next four hundred years, Twelver Shia Islam became entrenched. According to historian Juan Cole, Sunnis favoured the quietist Twelver branch of Shi'ism over the Qarmatians and promoted its development in Bahrain.[3] In the 13th Century, there arose what was termed the 'Bahrain School', which integrated themes of philosophy and mysticism into orthodox Twelver practise. The school produced theologians such as Sheikh Kamal al-Din Ibn Sa’adah al Bahrani (d. 1242), Sheikh Jamal al-Din ‘Ali ibn Sulayman al-Bahrani (d. 1271), and perhaps most famously Sheikh Maitham Al Bahrani (d. 1280).[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Bahrain

I don't see any sword in spread of Islam in Bahrain.
Please correct me if I am wrong.

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[McBell]

Proof No.2: one may like to see post #2386 regarding peaceful spread of Islam in Aruba.
No sword has been used there.
Regards

Counting the hits and ignoring the misses only reveals your desperate need to ignore the truth.

 

[paarsurrey]

Counting the hits and ignoring the misses only reveals your desperate need to ignore the truth.

What is bad in counting the hits?
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[McBell]

What is bad in counting the hits?
Regards

Your whole argument depends entirely upon ignoring the situations where Islam was spread by the sword.
You know, all the ones that have been presented that you have thus far ignored.

 

[paarsurrey]

Your whole argument depends entirely upon ignoring the situations where Islam was spread by the sword.
You know, all the ones that have been presented that you have thus far ignored.

I just add for information of my friends here:

• that Islam has been reformed under the Ahmadiyya and is the fastest spreading religious community in the world.
• It has peacefully spread in about 206 countries/territories of the world. In about 150 years Ahmadiyya are already more than the Zoroastrians and perhaps the Judaism people, no disrespect intended to anybody.
• I want to add that if one is truthful one would increase despite the opposition, persecution and killings done by the opponents.
• This has happened for sure, now. If it has happened now, it should be understood that the same happened in Muhammad’s time, as the Ahmadiyya follow teachings of Quran as did follow Muhammad; in fact we follow in Muhammad’s footsteps.

One may like to read Ahmadiyya by country from the link below in this connection:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_by_country
Regards

 

[McBell]

I just add for information of my friends here:

• that Islam has been reformed under the Ahmadiyya and is the fastest spreading religious community in the world.
• It has peacefully spread in about 206 countries/territories of the world. In about 150 years Ahmadiyya are already more than the Zoroastrians and perhaps the Judaism people, no disrespect intended to anybody.
• I want to add that if one is truthful one would increase despite the opposition, persecution and killings done by the opponents.
• This has happened for sure, now. If it has happened now, it should be understood that the same happened in Muhammad’s time, as the Ahmadiyya follow teachings of Quran as did follow Muhammad; in fact we follow in Muhammad’s footsteps.

One may like to read Ahmadiyya by country from the link below in this connection:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_by_country
Regards

Again ignoring the parts of Islams history you dislike.
How can you expect any one to see Islam as a good religion despite its past if you keep telling bold faced lies about its past?

 

[paarsurrey]

Again ignoring the parts of Islams history you dislike.
How can you expect any one to see Islam as a good religion despite its past if you keep telling bold faced lies about its past?

Is history 100% accurate? Please
How much accurate history is and on what basis? Please
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[McBell]

Is history 100% accurate? Please
How much accurate history is and on what basis? Please
Regards

Your claimed history of Islam sure the hell is not accurate.

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said ( Post #2426 ) : ↑
I just add for information of my friends here:

• that Islam has been reformed under the Ahmadiyya and is the fastest spreading religious community in the world.
• It has peacefully spread in about 206 countries/territories of the world. In about 150 years Ahmadiyya are already more than the Zoroastrians and perhaps the Judaism people, no disrespect intended to anybody.
• I want to add that if one is truthful one would increase despite the opposition, persecution and killings done by the opponents.
• This has happened for sure, now. If it has happened now, it should be understood that the same happened in Muhammad’s time, as the Ahmadiyya follow teachings of Quran as did follow Muhammad; in fact we follow in Muhammad’s footsteps.

One may like to read Ahmadiyya by country from the link below in this connection:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_by_country
Regards

Again ignoring the parts of Islams history you dislike.
How can you expect any one to see Islam as a good religion despite its past if you keep telling bold faced lies about its past?

Why does not one like to see the present from the lens of Ahmadiyya Islam:

Ahmadiyya Islam in Argentina

Islam in Argentina is represented by one of Latin America's largest Muslim minorities. Although accurate statistics on religion are not available (because the national census does not solicit religious data) the actual size of Argentina's Muslim community is estimated around 1% of the total population (400,000 to 500,000 members) according to the International Religious Freedom Report 2010.[1]The Pew Research Centre estimates about 1,000,000 Muslims in Argentina in the year 2010.[2]The Association of Religion Data Archives however approximates that 1.9% of the population profess Islam as their faith.[3]

Early Muslim immigration [edit]
There are some indications that the Muslim presence within present day Argentinian territory dates back to the time of the Spanish exploration and conquest. The first mentioned Berber settlers were the 15th century's Moorish-Morisco (Muslims of the Iberian peninsula of Moroccan North African and Spanish descent) who explored the Americas with Spanish explorers, many of them settling in Argentina who were fleeing from persecution in Spain such as the Spanish Inquisition.[4]

However, in the 19th century Argentina saw the first real wave of Arabs to settle within its territory, mostly from Syria and Lebanon. It is estimated that today there are about 3.5 million Argentinians of Arab descent.[5]The majority of these Arab immigrants were Christians and Sephardic Jews, and though accurate information is unavailable, probably less than a quarter of Arab migrants were actually Muslim. The descendants of Arab Jews are more likely to identify themselves as Jewish rather than Arab today. Members of the Ahmadiyya Muslim movement first entered the country in 1936.[6]*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Argentina
[6]*Simon Ross Valentine. Islam and the Ahmadiyya Jama'at: History, Belief, Practice. p. 69. ISBN 978-1-85065-916-7.

Country/Region : Ahmadiyya population : Percentage (%) of Muslims : Percentage (%) of population : Notes/Sources

Argentina (details): 15,500 : 2.0 : < 0.1 : Estimate[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_by_country

It has all been by discussions and dialogue, no sword at all.

Regards

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

So because you've been shown that your knowledge of the history of Islam is either

1. Unwittingly lacking; or
2. Deceptively selective

You're now contracting the scope of your claims from Islam as a whole to the Ahmadi sect.

Hark, 'tis the sound of goalposts being moved!

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑
Is history 100% accurate? Please
How much accurate history is and on what basis? Please
Regards

Your claimed history of Islam sure the hell is not accurate.

My question is about history, please don't confuse it with Islamic history.
Regards

 

[gnostic]

So because you've been shown that your knowledge of the history of Islam is either

1. Unwittingly lacking; or
2. Deceptively selective

You're now contracting the scope of your claims from Islam as a whole to the Ahmadi sect.

Hark, 'tis the sound of goalposts being moved!

Next, he will be saying Ahmadi Muslims are the true Muslims, and the Sunni, Shiites, Sufi and others are not. They each predictably do this eventually.

 

[gnostic]

And eventually they will run out of "true Muslims" because they will ALL end up being "not true Muslims ".

 

[Augustus]

that Islam has been reformed under the Ahmadiyya and is the fastest spreading religious community in the world.

The fastest spreading (i.e. not birth rates) religious community in the world is almost certainly Protestantism, especially in South America and China.

 

[paarsurrey]

The fastest spreading (i.e. not birth rates) religious community in the world is almost certainly Protestantism, especially in South America and China.

Ahmadiyya by country
As of 2014 the community has been established in 206 countries and territories of the world.[1][n 1]with concentrations inSouth Asia,West Africa,East AfricaandIndonesia. The community is a minority Muslim sect in almost every country of the world. On the other hand, it has spread to most countries of the world.

According to theWorld Christian Encyclopedia, the Ahmadiyya movement is the fastest growing sect within Islam as of the early 21st century.[n 3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_by_country
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[YmirGF]

Ahmadiyya by country
As of 2014 the community has been established in 206 countries and territories of the world.[1][n 1]with concentrations inSouth Asia,West Africa,East AfricaandIndonesia. The community is a minority Muslim sect in almost every country of the world. On the other hand, it has spread to most countries of the world.

According to theWorld Christian Encyclopedia, the Ahmadiyya movement is the fastest growing sect within Islam as of the early 21st century.[n 3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_by_country
Regards

Which means nothing, paarsurrey as you still have virtually no followers when compared to the largest Muslim sects. Of course your growth rate will be higher since your numbers are so low to begin with.

 

[gnostic]

Sorry, but is this topic about Islam, as with all Muslims, or the topic just about the Ahmadis?

Even if the Ahmadiyya sect being the most "peaceful" of sects, it is also a minority and have the shortest history.

The two largest sects - Sunni and Shia - dated back further in time, therefore had longer history. And they weren't the most peaceful.

The Ahmadiyya weren't there, when they invaded Byzantine Syria and the Sassanid Persia, during the 7th century. They were there when Muslim army invaded Spanish peninsula, driving away the Visigoth. They were there when they bombarded Byzantium with cannon-fire. They were there when they invaded India and Armenia, taking a lot of women as slaves for their harems.

Liberators, my ***.

 

[paarsurrey]

Sorry, but is this topic about Islam, as with all Muslims, or the topic just about the Ahmadis?
Even if the Ahmadiyya sect being the most "peaceful" of sects, it is also a minority and have the shortest history.
The two largest sects - Sunni and Shia - dated back further in time, therefore had longer history. And they weren't the most peaceful.
The Ahmadiyya weren't there, when they invaded Byzantine Syria and the Sassanid Persia, during the 7th century. They were there when Muslim army invaded Spanish peninsula, driving away the Visigoth. They were there when they bombarded Byzantium with cannon-fire. They were there when they invaded India and Armenia, taking a lot of women as slaves for their harems.
Liberators, ....

What would one say about Muhammad; was he a Sunni or Shia?
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[Britedream]

No one knows about how fare and just Islam is, than those non Muslims who lived under its rules for hundreds of years. Let us check their testimony ; what did Islam do for them, and see if it resembles anything you are saying.

Here is a link that shows you exactly that:

http://www.thejc.com/comment-and-debate/comment/68082/so-what-did-muslims-do-jews