Shad
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These laws exist in Sharia.
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Was Islam spread by the sword?
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These laws exist in Sharia.
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
He had a woman who mocked him put to death.
He marched across Arabia forcibly Islamising the cities he attacked. Ta'if is an example.
Whence came the commands to fight non-Muslims?
He certainly was not. Next you'll be claiming that Muhammed inspired the above document.
Lol, there we go. Always the infidel's fault. Poor Muhammed's only ever the victim. Even when he's raiding trade caravans during the Arabian holy month, taking slaves, launching unprovoked attacks on non-Muslims with siege weapons & Roman battle tactics and forcing said enemies to convert to Islam or he'd refuse their entreaties for peace. Poor, poor Muhammed.
This sort of historical revisionism is deeply deceitful. Shame on you, paarsurrey.
Shad
Veteran Member
The UN didn't exist in Arabia in the 7th century. Also do note that Muslims nations reject this declaration....
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
There is no Sharia if it is against Quran- the first and the foremost source of guidance of Islam whatever the denomination of Muslims.
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Shad
Veteran Member
Yet there are such laws in Sharia thus it must not be against the Quran.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Was Islam spread by the sword?
No.
Islam did not spread by sword. In fact sword is a hindrance in the way of spread of Islam. Quran provides both commandments and the gist of wisdom of the same; this peculiarity is not retained in book of any other revealed religion.Islam flourishes most in peace with its strong reasonable and rational arguments.
For example:
Further to post #258
Spread of Islam in
Comoros: [3]
Islam and its institutions have helped to integrate Comorian society and provide identification with a world beyond the islands' shores. Most adherents are Arab-Swahilior Persian, but there are also people of Indian descent.
History[edit]
Local legend claims Islam was brought to the islands during Muhammads lifetime, brought by two Comorian nobles, Fey Bedja Mwamba and Mtswa Mwandze, who visited Mecca.[1] Historical evidence suggests Arab merchants and exiled Sunni Persian Shirazi princes first introduced the religion.
Islam has long played a central role in the Comoros.
Islam in Comoros - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
One may like to see following videos about the Comoros Muslims depicting their satisfaction with the religion they believe in:
Country/Region:
Comoros
Muslim population 2010 Pew Report[1]:785,000
Muslim percentage (%) of total population 2010 Pew Report[1] :98.3
Percentage (%) of World Muslim population 2010 Pew Report[1] :< 0.1
Muslim Population Other Sources :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country
I don't see any sword in spread of Islam in
Comoros . Do you see any?
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Regards
No.
Islam did not spread by sword. In fact sword is a hindrance in the way of spread of Islam. Quran provides both commandments and the gist of wisdom of the same; this peculiarity is not retained in book of any other revealed religion.Islam flourishes most in peace with its strong reasonable and rational arguments.
For example:
Further to post #258
Spread of Islam in
Comoros: [3]Islam and its institutions have helped to integrate Comorian society and provide identification with a world beyond the islands' shores. Most adherents are Arab-Swahilior Persian, but there are also people of Indian descent.
History[edit]
Local legend claims Islam was brought to the islands during Muhammads lifetime, brought by two Comorian nobles, Fey Bedja Mwamba and Mtswa Mwandze, who visited Mecca.[1] Historical evidence suggests Arab merchants and exiled Sunni Persian Shirazi princes first introduced the religion.
Islam has long played a central role in the Comoros.
Islam in Comoros - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
One may like to see following videos about the Comoros Muslims depicting their satisfaction with the religion they believe in:
Country/Region:
ComorosMuslim population 2010 Pew Report[1]:785,000
Muslim percentage (%) of total population 2010 Pew Report[1] :98.3
Percentage (%) of World Muslim population 2010 Pew Report[1] :< 0.1
Muslim Population Other Sources :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country
I don't see any sword in spread of Islam in
Comoros . Do you see any?Please correct me if I am wrong.
Regards
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Mestemia said: ↑
In Post #2682
What does the Koran say about cars?
What does the Koran say about cloning?
What does the Koran say about medicine?
other than camel urine is a magical cure all...
paarsurrey said: ↑
Are you against animals? Camel is an innocent animal. Isn't it? Please
Paarsurrey says:
This innocent animal (camel) which was called the ship of the desert in Arabia, was to be a sign, among many others, as mentioned in Quran in Post #2833 and Hadith Post #2854and illustrated further in #2910, #2962 and the latest in this connection #3011,#3110.
Not only the camel but a sort of a donkey was also incidentally mentioned, that was to appear at End of Days or the time of truthful Jesus' Second Coming in Hadith of truthful Muhammad.
So Quran and Hadith both give clues about the modern means of transport in symbolic form:
Some other novel features of this symbolic donkey of the anti-Christ are described in great detail in various books of traditions. The following is a composite presentation of the information derived from them, it is further added:
Continued from post #3135, #3152 :
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In Post #2682
What does the Koran say about cars?
What does the Koran say about cloning?
What does the Koran say about medicine?
other than camel urine is a magical cure all...
paarsurrey said: ↑
Are you against animals? Camel is an innocent animal. Isn't it? Please
Paarsurrey says:
This innocent animal (camel) which was called the ship of the desert in Arabia, was to be a sign, among many others, as mentioned in Quran in Post #2833 and Hadith Post #2854and illustrated further in #2910, #2962 and the latest in this connection #3011,#3110.
Not only the camel but a sort of a donkey was also incidentally mentioned, that was to appear at End of Days or the time of truthful Jesus' Second Coming in Hadith of truthful Muhammad.
So Quran and Hadith both give clues about the modern means of transport in symbolic form:
Some other novel features of this symbolic donkey of the anti-Christ are described in great detail in various books of traditions. The following is a composite presentation of the information derived from them, it is further added:
Continued from post #3135, #3152 :
"After reading this vivid description of the donkey of the anti-Christ which he would use for his world conquest, we wonder if the reader really needs further assistance to recognize him.
Obviously such great Christian powers are mentioned under the title Dajjal 53 as were destined one day to command the entire world. The fire-driven donkey which acquires the changeable roles of aeroplanes, ships or trains moving at exceptionally fast speeds was to play the most formative and crucial role in the conquest of the world by the Christian powers. Apart from emphasizing the advantage of higher speeds, the advantage of weightier possessions is also specifically mentioned in the global conflict for supremacy:
Then, as for him whose scales are heavy,
he will have a pleasant life. 54
The weightier they are in their possession and the faster in their speeds, the more inevitable would become the supremacy of the world powers. The mass and the speed at which he moves is what matters on the road to victory."
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_6_section 2.htmlObviously such great Christian powers are mentioned under the title Dajjal 53 as were destined one day to command the entire world. The fire-driven donkey which acquires the changeable roles of aeroplanes, ships or trains moving at exceptionally fast speeds was to play the most formative and crucial role in the conquest of the world by the Christian powers. Apart from emphasizing the advantage of higher speeds, the advantage of weightier possessions is also specifically mentioned in the global conflict for supremacy:
Then, as for him whose scales are heavy,
he will have a pleasant life. 54
The weightier they are in their possession and the faster in their speeds, the more inevitable would become the supremacy of the world powers. The mass and the speed at which he moves is what matters on the road to victory."
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Further to Posts #2717, #2720 , #2722, and #2942 in response to OP's Post #1 I have to add:
Those who doubt that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad they should focus on spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam, If it has happened now peacefully, it should be a clear sign for the doubtful that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad.
I gave how Ahmadiyya spread peacefully in Argentina post #2430, Australia Post #2460 , Austria Post #2489, Bangladesh Post #2513, Belarus Post #2535, Belgium Post#2556, Belize #2571, Bulgaria Post #2595, Cameroon Post #2619, Canada Post #2636,Chad Post #2651,Congo #2672, Denmark #2703, Egypt #2824, Fiji #2883, France #2942, Germany #3025, Ghana #3102 , Guatemala [URL='http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/was-islam-spread-by-the-sword.163547/page-158#post-4612470']#3149,[/URL].
Guinea-Bissau (
i/ˈɡɪni bɪˈsaʊ/, gi-nee-bi-sow), officially the Republic of Guinea-Bissau (Portuguese: República da Guiné-Bissau,pronounced: [ʁeˈpublikɐ dɐ ɡiˈnɛ biˈsaw]), is a country in West Africa. It covers 36,125 square kilometres (13,948 sq mi) with an estimated population of 1,704,000.
In the early 21st century, many have adopted Islam, which is now practiced by 50% of the country's population. Most of Guinea-Bissau's Muslims are of the Sunni denomination with approximately 2% belonging to theAhmadiyya sect.[51]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea-Bissau
Ahmadiyya is an Islamic community in Guinea-Bissau, under the leadership of the caliph in London. First established in the country in 1995, during the era of the Fourth Caliphate, the Community represents an estimated 2% of the country's Muslim population, corresponding to approximately 13,000 people.[1]
History[edit]
Relief map of Guinea-Bissau
The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community of Guinea-Bissau was first established in 1995. However, it has not had an easy beginning since its founding. Only six years later, on August 20, 2001, the then president of Guinea-Bissau, Kumba Ialá, ordered the closure of Ahmadi mosques and mission houses, and called for the expulsion of Ahmadi Muslim missionaries of foreign Pakistani origin, to leave the country within a period of "48 hours". In a meeting held with 500 Muslim leaders in the country, the president accused Ahmadi Muslims for interfering with the nation's politics and for creating misunderstanding and instability within the Muslim populations. In response to the decision, Sory Djalo resigned from his post as the religious affairs advisor to the president.[2][3][4][5]
In response to the president's decision, the Community appealed at Bissau's Regional Court, one of the nine regional courts in the country. The court found that the decision made by the president to have violated the nation's constitution which guarantees religious freedom and which prohibits dissolution of religious groups without a prior court approval. As a consequence, the decision was declared void and unconstitutional. Despite this, the Community was still banned.[2][3][4][5]
In January 2005 the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community was permitted to resume its religious activity, only to be banned once again two months later, in March. The reason attributed to this decision was a dispute in Gabú city between Ahmadis and non-Ahmadi Muslims which resulted in the injury of four Ahmadi Muslims. A year later, in 2006, the Community once again appealed the government's decision to ban its religious activity. Once again, the government granted the Community the right to practice its faith openly. Since 2006, there have been no reports of discrimination against Ahmadi Muslims, governmental or otherwise.[5][6][7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_in_Guinea-Bissau
Country/Region:
Guinea Bissau
Ahmadiyya population : 13,000
Percentage (%) of Muslims :2.0
Percentage (%) of population :0.8
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_by_country
Does one see any sword used for spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in
Guinea Bissau?
Isn't it a glorious sign for the wise? Please
Regards
Those who doubt that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad they should focus on spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam, If it has happened now peacefully, it should be a clear sign for the doubtful that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad.
I gave how Ahmadiyya spread peacefully in Argentina post #2430, Australia Post #2460 , Austria Post #2489, Bangladesh Post #2513, Belarus Post #2535, Belgium Post#2556, Belize #2571, Bulgaria Post #2595, Cameroon Post #2619, Canada Post #2636,Chad Post #2651,Congo #2672, Denmark #2703, Egypt #2824, Fiji #2883, France #2942, Germany #3025, Ghana #3102 , Guatemala [URL='http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/was-islam-spread-by-the-sword.163547/page-158#post-4612470']#3149,[/URL].
- Now I give peaceful spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in
Guinea Bissau. [1]
Guinea-Bissau (
i/ˈɡɪni bɪˈsaʊ/, gi-nee-bi-sow), officially the Republic of Guinea-Bissau (Portuguese: República da Guiné-Bissau,pronounced: [ʁeˈpublikɐ dɐ ɡiˈnɛ biˈsaw]), is a country in West Africa. It covers 36,125 square kilometres (13,948 sq mi) with an estimated population of 1,704,000.In the early 21st century, many have adopted Islam, which is now practiced by 50% of the country's population. Most of Guinea-Bissau's Muslims are of the Sunni denomination with approximately 2% belonging to theAhmadiyya sect.[51]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea-Bissau
Ahmadiyya is an Islamic community in Guinea-Bissau, under the leadership of the caliph in London. First established in the country in 1995, during the era of the Fourth Caliphate, the Community represents an estimated 2% of the country's Muslim population, corresponding to approximately 13,000 people.[1]
History[edit]
Relief map of Guinea-Bissau
The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community of Guinea-Bissau was first established in 1995. However, it has not had an easy beginning since its founding. Only six years later, on August 20, 2001, the then president of Guinea-Bissau, Kumba Ialá, ordered the closure of Ahmadi mosques and mission houses, and called for the expulsion of Ahmadi Muslim missionaries of foreign Pakistani origin, to leave the country within a period of "48 hours". In a meeting held with 500 Muslim leaders in the country, the president accused Ahmadi Muslims for interfering with the nation's politics and for creating misunderstanding and instability within the Muslim populations. In response to the decision, Sory Djalo resigned from his post as the religious affairs advisor to the president.[2][3][4][5]
In response to the president's decision, the Community appealed at Bissau's Regional Court, one of the nine regional courts in the country. The court found that the decision made by the president to have violated the nation's constitution which guarantees religious freedom and which prohibits dissolution of religious groups without a prior court approval. As a consequence, the decision was declared void and unconstitutional. Despite this, the Community was still banned.[2][3][4][5]
In January 2005 the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community was permitted to resume its religious activity, only to be banned once again two months later, in March. The reason attributed to this decision was a dispute in Gabú city between Ahmadis and non-Ahmadi Muslims which resulted in the injury of four Ahmadi Muslims. A year later, in 2006, the Community once again appealed the government's decision to ban its religious activity. Once again, the government granted the Community the right to practice its faith openly. Since 2006, there have been no reports of discrimination against Ahmadi Muslims, governmental or otherwise.[5][6][7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_in_Guinea-Bissau
Country/Region:
Ahmadiyya population : 13,000
Percentage (%) of Muslims :2.0
Percentage (%) of population :0.8
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_by_country
Does one see any sword used for spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam in
Isn't it a glorious sign for the wise? Please
Regards
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Quran does not mention any Sharia, the clerics might have made them with a wrong understanding of Quran, the clerics have no such authority from Quran so no Muslim is bound by them.
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The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
It mentions the jizyah to be paid by non-Muslim monotheists. So there's at least that.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Yes, Jizya has been mentioned in Quran as a tax, every citizen has to pay taxes. The Jews levy a tax of 1/10 on income to be paid to the clergy as per Torah:
Traditional Jewish law and practice has included various forms of tithing since ancient times. Orthodox Jews commonly practice ma'aser kesafim (tithing 10% of their income to charity). In modern Israel, Jews continue to follow the laws of agricultural tithing, e.g., ma'aser rishon, terumat ma'aser, and ma'aser sheni.
http://everything.explained.today/Tithe/
Mosaic law
See also:Law of Moses.
The tithe is specifically mentioned in the Books ofLeviticus,NumbersandDeuteronomy. The tithing system was organized in a three-year cycle, corresponding to theShemittah-cycle. Every year,Bikkurim,Terumah,Ma'aser RishonandTerumat Ma'aserwere separated from the grain, wine and oil (Deuteronomy 14:22). (As regards other fruit and produce, the Biblical requirement to tithe is a source of debate.) Unlike other offerings which were restricted to consumption within thetabernacle, the yearly tithe to the Levites could be consumed anywhere . On years one, two, four and five of theShemittah-cycle, God commanded the Children of Israel to take a second tithe that was to be brought to the place of theTemple(Deuteronomy 14:23). The owner of the produce was to separate and bring 1/10 of his finished produce to the Old City of Jerusalem after separatingTerumahand the first tithe, but if the family lived too far from Jerusalem, the tithe could be redeemed upon coins (Deuteronomy 14:24-25). Then, the Bible required the owner of the redeemed coins to spend the tithe "to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish" (Deuteronomy 14:26). Implicit in the commandment was an obligation to spend the coins on items meant for human consumption.
The third year was called "the year of tithing" in which the Israelites set aside 1/10 of the increase of the land, they were to give this tithe to the Levites, strangers, orphans, and widows. These tithes were in reality more like taxes for the people of Israel and were mandatory, not optional giving. This tithe was distributed locally "within thy gates" to support the Levites and assist the poor.
The Levites, also known as the Tribe of Levi, were descendants ofLevi. They were assistants to the Aaronicpriests(who were the children ofAaronand, therefore, a subset of the Tribe of Levi) and did not own or inherit a territorialpatrimony. Their function in society was that of temple functionaries, teachers and trusted civil servants who supervised the weights and scales and witnessed agreements. The goods donated from the other Israeli tribes were their source of sustenance. They received from "all Israel" a tithe of food or livestock for support, and in turn would set aside a tenth portion of that tithe for the Aaronic priests in Jerusalem.
An additional tithe mentioned in the Book of Leviticus (27:32-33) is the cattle tithe, which is to be sacrificed as akorbanat theTemple in Jerusalem.
http://everything.explained.today/Tithe/
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Shad
Veteran Member
http://everything.explained.today/Tithe/
Jizya is a tax forced upon non-Muslims thus is nothing like a tithe made by the willing as part of their religion.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Maaser/Tithe (first, second and third) is imposed unauthorized by the Jewish clergy, not imposed by G-d.
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Flankerl
Well-Known Member
Do tell.
Bamidbar 18:20-28
20 And the LORD said unto Aaron: 'Thou shalt have no inheritance in their land, neither shalt thou have any portion among them; I am thy portion and thine inheritance among the children of Israel. {S}
21 And unto the children of Levi, behold, I have given all the tithe in Israel for an inheritance, in return for their service which they serve, even the service of the tent of meeting.
22 And henceforth the children of Israel shall not come nigh the tent of meeting, lest they bear sin, and die.
23 But the Levites alone shall do the service of the tent of meeting, and they shall bear their iniquity; it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations, and among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance.
24 For the tithe of the children of Israel, which they set apart as a gift unto the LORD, I have given to the Levites for an inheritance; therefore I have said unto them: Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance.' {P}
25 And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying:
26 'Moreover thou shalt speak unto the Levites, and say unto them: When ye take of the children of Israel the tithe which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall set apart of it a gift for the LORD, even a tithe of the tithe.
27 And the gift which ye set apart shall be reckoned unto you, as though it were the corn of the threshing-floor, and as the fulness of the wine-press.
28 Thus ye also shall set apart a gift unto the LORD of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and thereof ye shall give the gift which is set apart unto the LORD to Aaron the priest.
Devarim 14:22-29
22 Thou shalt surely tithe all the increase of thy seed, that which is brought forth in the field year by year.
23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which He shall choose to cause His name to dwell there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herd and of thy flock; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it, because the place is too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set His name there, when the LORD thy God shall bless thee;
25 then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thy hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose.
26 And thou shalt bestow the money for whatsoever thy soul desireth, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul asketh of thee; and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou and thy household.
27 And the Levite that is within thy gates, thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no portion nor inheritance with thee. {S}
28 At the end of every three years, even in the same year, thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase, and shall lay it up within thy gates.
29 And the Levite, because he hath no portion nor inheritance with thee, and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, that are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thy hand which thou doest. {S}
Okay what will it be? Shifting the goal post or not accepting the quotes?
Bamidbar 18:20-28
20 And the LORD said unto Aaron: 'Thou shalt have no inheritance in their land, neither shalt thou have any portion among them; I am thy portion and thine inheritance among the children of Israel. {S}
21 And unto the children of Levi, behold, I have given all the tithe in Israel for an inheritance, in return for their service which they serve, even the service of the tent of meeting.
22 And henceforth the children of Israel shall not come nigh the tent of meeting, lest they bear sin, and die.
23 But the Levites alone shall do the service of the tent of meeting, and they shall bear their iniquity; it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations, and among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance.
24 For the tithe of the children of Israel, which they set apart as a gift unto the LORD, I have given to the Levites for an inheritance; therefore I have said unto them: Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance.' {P}
25 And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying:
26 'Moreover thou shalt speak unto the Levites, and say unto them: When ye take of the children of Israel the tithe which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall set apart of it a gift for the LORD, even a tithe of the tithe.
27 And the gift which ye set apart shall be reckoned unto you, as though it were the corn of the threshing-floor, and as the fulness of the wine-press.
28 Thus ye also shall set apart a gift unto the LORD of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and thereof ye shall give the gift which is set apart unto the LORD to Aaron the priest.
Devarim 14:22-29
22 Thou shalt surely tithe all the increase of thy seed, that which is brought forth in the field year by year.
23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which He shall choose to cause His name to dwell there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herd and of thy flock; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it, because the place is too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set His name there, when the LORD thy God shall bless thee;
25 then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thy hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose.
26 And thou shalt bestow the money for whatsoever thy soul desireth, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul asketh of thee; and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou and thy household.
27 And the Levite that is within thy gates, thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no portion nor inheritance with thee. {S}
28 At the end of every three years, even in the same year, thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase, and shall lay it up within thy gates.
29 And the Levite, because he hath no portion nor inheritance with thee, and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, that are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thy hand which thou doest. {S}
Okay what will it be? Shifting the goal post or not accepting the quotes?
gnostic
The Lost One
Why in the hell would God need to impose tithe? It is not something God could spend it on anything.
Second, this is about Islam, not Judaism, so why bring it up? Also, the tithe weren't for non-Jews to pay.
Third, why should I or any non-Muslim pay jizya for a religion that they don't believe in. No, the jizya is imposed, so they can underhandedly compel non-Muslims to convert to Islam, so that they wouldn't have to pay jizya. Jizya is just another form of compulsion or coercion.
I am not a Christian, and they have never made me pay any tithe before, and as I understand it is voluntary.
Back in the days of caliphates. What did Muslims do to non-Muslims who refused to pay jizya?
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Apologetics. All non-Muslim religions have become corrupted but let's excuse Islam's own failings by pointing out everyone else's.
A key difference that jizyah apologists either refuse to, or cannot, recognise.
The Quran says Muslims can attack and hurt non-paying dhimmis until they submit and pay the levy again. Not that you'd hear paarsurrey admit such a thing.
gnostic
The Lost One
In paarsurrey's defence, the Ahmadi Muslims were never in power to impose jizya non-Muslims. The Ahmadis are not like other Muslims...
...but then again, most Muslims don't consider Ahmadis to be real Muslims, because the other Muslims see Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, as a heretic who dare to proclaim himself a messiah, and accept the teachings of Zoroaster, Krishna, Buddha, Confucius, as prophets.
What I don't see, is that Zoroaster, Krishna, Buddha and Confucius having nothing in common with Muhammad, especially when Muhammad is also a politician and a warlord.
But I got to admit the Ahmadiyya is a far more peaceful sect than others, like the Sunni and Shia.
But like you said, paarsurrey is an apologist, like most Ahmadis are. They refused to recognise Islam's origin. He either excuses for the violence or he tried to rewrite history.
He also tried to change the subject or move the goalposts. Originally, it was all about Islam and the caliphates never invaded other kingdoms, but have now changed to the Ahmadis never invaded other kingdoms or force people to convert, since he has failed to convince anyone with his original argument.
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
The tithe was for the Tribe of the Levites who did not own any Land.
And of course for the poor people who were poor and thus needed support.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Who is narrating it? Please
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Quran did impose Jizya, a little thought on the verse where it is mentioned and the verses in the context make it clear as to why it was imposed and why it was essential to be imposed in Muhammad's time, I therefore, give the verse with the verses in the context:
[9:24]Say, if your fathers, and your sons, and your brethren, and your wives, and your kinsfolk, and the wealth you have acquired, and the trade whose dullness you fear, and the dwellings which you love are dearer to you than Allah and His Messenger and striving in His cause, then wait until Allah comes with His judgment; and Allah guides not the disobedient people.
[9:25]Surely, Allah had helped you on many a battlefield, and on the Day of Hunain, when your great numbers made you proud, but they availed you nought; and the earth, withallits vastness, became straitened for you,andthen you turned your backs retreating.
[9:26]Then Allah sent down His peace upon His Messenger and upon the believers, and He sent down hosts which you did not see, and He punished those who disbelieved. And this is the reward of the disbelievers.
[9:27]Then will Allah, after that, turn with compassion to whomsoever He pleases; and Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.
[9:28]O ye who believe! surely, the idolaters are unclean. So they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year of theirs. And if you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you out of His bounty, if He pleases. Surely, Allah is All-Knowing, Wise.
[9:29]Fight those from among the People of the Book who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor hold as unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have declared to be unlawful, nor follow the true religion, until they pay the tax with their own hand and acknowledge their subjection.
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[9:30]And the Jews say, Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say, the Messiah is the son of Allah; that is what they say with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before them. Allah’s curse be on them! How are they turned away!
[9:31]They have taken their learned men and their monks for lords beside Allah. Andso have they takenthe Messiah, son of Mary. And they were not commanded but to worship the One God. There is no God but He. Too Holy is He for what they associatewith Him!
[9:32]They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths; but Allah will permit nothing except that He will perfect His light, though the disbelievers may dislikeit.
[9:33]He it is Who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth, that He may make it prevail over everyotherreligion, even though the idolaters may dislikeit.
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