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Was Islam spread by the sword?

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gnostic

gnostic

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paarsurrey said:
Acts done in accordance of the teachings of G-d contained in Quran are only good, acts done against the teachings of Quran are bad. There are no double standard, Quran is the standard and norm.
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I see slavery as doing wrong, whether you are selling them or owning them.

The Qur'an condone slavery. And it is still does condone slavery, and no one can change that. That's because slavery was never declared illegal by Muhammad or by the Qur'an. The only thing Muhammad and the Qur'an prohibited is selling Muslims into slavery, but it is okay to sell or owned non-Muslims as slaves. And that only just demonstrate the great hypocrisy of Islam.

Even Muhammad owned a slave. He released her, but only because he married her. Even if only owned her for a very short time, but it does demonstrate he never forbid owning non-Muslim slaves.

Muhammad allowed women and children, in the aftermath of Banu Qurayza had surrendered to him.

Saudi Arabia didn't make slavery illegal until the 1960s or 1970s (I can't remember when), only because the UN applied international and diplomatic pressures the Saudi King and government of that time.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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Was Islam spread by the sword?
No.
Islam did not spread by sword. In fact sword is a hindrance in the way of spread of Islam. Quran provides both commandments and the gist of wisdom of the same; this peculiarity is not retained in book of any other revealed religion.Islam flourishes most in peace with its strong reasonable and rational arguments.
For example:

Spread of Islam in Costa Rica: [1]
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Poás Volcano Crater is one of the country's main tourist attractions: Arenal Volcano
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A coffee plantation in the Orosí Valley
Costa Rica ( i/ˌkoʊstə ˈriːkə/; Spanish: [ˈkosta ˈrika]; literally meaning, "Rich Coast"), officially the Republic of Costa Rica (Spanish:República de Costa Rica), is a country in Central America, bordered by Nicaragua to the north, Panama to the southeast, the Pacific Ocean to the west, the Caribbean Sea to the east, and Ecuador to the south of Cocos Island. It has a population of around 4.5 million, of whom nearly a quarter live in the metropolitan area of the capital and largest city, San José.

Religion in Costa Rica[92][93]
According to the most recent nationwide survey of religion, conducted in 2007 by the University of Costa Rica, 70.5% of Costa Ricans are Roman Catholics (44.9% practicing Catholics), 13.8% are evangelical Protestants, 11.3% report that they do not have a religion, and 4.3% belong to another religion. The rate of secularism is high by Latin American standards.
Due to small, but continuous, immigration from Asia and the Middle East, other religions have grown, the most popular being Buddhism, with about 100,000 practitioners (over 2% of the population).[93] Most Buddhists are members of the Han Chinese community of about 40,000 with some new local converts. There are also smaller numbers of Hindu, Jewish, Bahá’í, and Muslim adherents.
The Sinagoga Shaarei Zion synagogue[94] is near La Sabana Metropolitan Park in San José. Several homes in the neighborhood east of the park display the Star of David and other Jewish symbols.[95]
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints claims more than 35,000 members, and has a temple in San José that served as a regional worship center for Costa Rica.[96] However, they represent less than 1% of the population.[97][98]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Rica
The statistics for Islam in Costa Rica is around 50 families, or 0.001% of the population. There are very few Islamic organizations in San José including the Islamic Association of Costa Rica led by Secretary General Dr. Abdul Fatah Sasa,[1] and the Centro Cultural Musulmán de Costa Rica in Alajuela led by Jenny Rashida Torres.[2] The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community only established in the country as recent as 2013.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Costa_Rica

Muslim population 2010 Pew Report[1]:< 1,000
Muslim percentage (%) of total population 2010 Pew Report[1] :< 0.1
Percentage (%) of World Muslim population 2010 Pew Report[1] :0.1
Muslim Population Other Sources : -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

I don't see any sword in spread of Islam in Costa Rica . Do you see any?
Please correct me if I am wrong.
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Shad

Shad

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paarsurrey said:
Acts done in accordance of the teachings of G-d contained in Quran are only good, acts done against the teachings of Quran are bad. There are no double standard, Quran is the standard and norm.
Regards
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Irrelevant. All you have done is say the Quran allows for illogical fallacious reasoning which shows the Quran is a product of a human prone to such mistakes in reasoning.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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gnostic said:
I see slavery as doing wrong, whether you are selling them or owning them.
The Qur'an condone slavery. And it is still does condone slavery, and no one can change that. That's because slavery was never declared illegal by Muhammad or by the Qur'an. The only thing Muhammad and the Qur'an prohibited is selling Muslims into slavery, but it is okay to sell or owned non-Muslims as slaves. And that only just demonstrate the great hypocrisy of Islam.
Even Muhammad owned a slave. He released her, but only because he married her. Even if only owned her for a very short time, but it does demonstrate he never forbid owning non-Muslim slaves.
Muhammad allowed women and children, in the aftermath of Banu Qurayza had surrendered to him.
Saudi Arabia didn't make slavery illegal until the 1960s or 1970s (I can't remember when), only because the UN applied international and diplomatic pressures the Saudi King and government of that time.
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Quran/Islam/Muhammed phased out slavery to end it and finish it.
To enslave human beings has never been a tenet of Islam:
Please set the timer at 00:41:05 to see reply to a question on slavery asked from Mirza Tahir Ahmad.
Q4 @ 00:41:05 I read in Times a few weeks ago, “A charity in Sudan is buying back slaves captured by the Arab Militias and converting them to Islam. Are there any other forms of slavery in Islam?
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gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
paarsurrey said:
Quran/Islam/Muhammed phased out slavery to end it and finish it.
To enslave human beings has never been a tenet of Islam:
Please set the timer at 00:41:05 to see reply to a question on slavery asked from Mirza Tahir Ahmad.
Q4 @ 00:41:05 I read in Times a few weeks ago, “A charity in Sudan is buying back slaves captured by the Arab Militias and converting them to Islam. Are there any other forms of slavery in Islam?
Regards
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Islam didn't phase out slavery.

Muhammad condoned it, and even perpetrated mass selling of people as slaves, more specifically, the women and children of the Banu Qurayza in 627. Muhammad never forbid selling or buying non-Muslims. Even Muhammad accept slavegirl as a gift.

And you are wrong, the Qur'an never forbid slave trades or made slavery illegal. All it forbid, is the selling or buying of fellow-Muslims. And a person can win his or her freedom, simply by converting.

Why must non-Muslim slaves convert to Islam to earn their freedom?

If freedom is conditional to freedom, then is another form of compulsions.

If there were truly "no compulsion" in converting, then THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY CONDITION attach to one's freedom. Today's Islam is no better than the Christians in the Middle Ages, if there are conditions to freedom.

Can you show me a verse in which slave trades of non-Muslims were made illegal?
 
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The Emperor of Mankind

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paarsurrey said:
Quran/Islam/Muhammed phased out slavery to end it and finish it.
To enslave human beings has never been a tenet of Islam:
Please set the timer at 00:41:05 to see reply to a question on slavery asked from Mirza Tahir Ahmad.
Q4 @ 00:41:05 I read in Times a few weeks ago, “A charity in Sudan is buying back slaves captured by the Arab Militias and converting them to Islam. Are there any other forms of slavery in Islam?
Regards
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Your link contradicted your own first two sentences, well done. If Islam phased out or ended slavery then why are Arab Muslims buying black people in order to convert them to Islam? That is not charity; they're taking an active role in the slave trade by buying people. If Islam really abolished slavery then they'd be freeing the slaves, not acquiring them via commercial transactions. The historical trade of black slaves by Muslim Arabs is actually touched upon in this video. It's a long one.

 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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outhouse said:
No it is not.
It is filled with violent people who commit the most cowardly acts humanity can offer. Islamic Terrorism is an embarrassment to humanity.
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No, such person are wrong, they don't represent Islam/Quran/Muhammad. They are subject to accountability and are not exempted,very clearly mentioned in Quran:
[40:40]‘O my people, this life of the world is but a temporary provision; and the Hereafter is certainly the home for permanent stay.
[40:41]‘Whoso does evil will be requited only with the like of it; but whoso does good, whether male or female, and is a believer — these will enter the Garden; they will be provided therein without measure.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse%3A&ch=40&verse=40​
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paarsurrey said: ↑
Are you against animals? Camel is an innocent animal. Isn't it? Please

Paarsurrey says:
"Dr. Maurice Bucaille, a reputable French author, expresses his wonder at some length in his book, The Bible, The Qur'an And Science.10 He gathered material from the Bible and the Quran and subjected both to an impartial scrutiny by comparing them with universally accepted contemporary scientific knowledge. To discover the Quran to be right every time is the last thing he expected his enquiry to reveal. The full report of his investigation was published in the first French edition in 1976. Nothing that the Quran had observed was found to be at variance with the scientific knowledge of the twentieth century.​

Here it would be appropriate to also mention the name of a renowned Canadian Professor of anatomy, Keith L. Moore, Chairman of the Department of the Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto, who has critically examined the question of the Holy Quran and embryology.11,12 In addition to the Quran, he also quotes some relevant traditions of the Holy Prophet, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. Encouraged by his research he testifies to the truth of Quranic revelation with amazing boldness and clarity."
https://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_4_section_3.html

Quran does not claim to be a text book of science, however.

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Shad

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paarsurrey said:
Paarsurrey says:
"Dr. Maurice Bucaille, a reputable French author, expresses his wonder at some length in his book, The Bible, The Qur'an And Science.10 He gathered material from the Bible and the Quran and subjected both to an impartial scrutiny by comparing them with universally accepted contemporary scientific knowledge. To discover the Quran to be right every time is the last thing he expected his enquiry to reveal. The full report of his investigation was published in the first French edition in 1976. Nothing that the Quran had observed was found to be at variance with the scientific knowledge of the twentieth century.​


Regards
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Bucaille is a hack. He doesn't even know about natron in mummification then concludes it must be sea water. He opinion is nonsense.

paarsurrey said:
Here it would be appropriate to also mention the name of a renowned Canadian Professor of anatomy, Keith L. Moore, Chairman of the Department of the Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto, who has critically examined the question of the Holy Quran and embryology.11,12 In addition to the Quran, he also quotes some relevant traditions of the Holy Prophet, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. Encouraged by his research he testifies to the truth of Quranic revelation with amazing boldness and clarity."
https://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_4_section_3.html

Quran does not claim to be a text book of science, however.

Regards
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Moore removed all references to the Quran, but one which is tiny and merely repeating ideas from the Greeks. The conference he attended was removed from the later editions of his book. He doesn't stand by his claims in academic work. All later editions still maintain the Islamic knowledge is still from the Greeks. He retracted his own statements which shows that he not longer believes what he said in the 70s. More so if he believed as you claim he would be a Muslim, which he isn't. Also the only edition which had the miracle nonsense included a part not written by Moore at all.

He told Muslim what they wanted to hear and was paid for it.
 
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