Was Islam spread by the sword?

[outhouse]

Ahmadiyya true Islam

Is not the true islam

and factually has nothing to do with the origin of islam

 

[gnostic]

Are you seriously trying to tell me that Judaism and Christianity are not peaceful religions? Seriously?

I just quoted from the Jewish scripture. One can make one's own opinion. If one thinks it is peaceful, then say it boldly (I mean , in bold letters) categorically, with the reasons thereof.

That, what you have quoted above, was sarcasm.

Did you bother to read what I actually thought of Judaism and Christianity?

Second, I have never stated Christianity or Judaism to be "peaceful" religions. So you are hitting straw man with this piece of argument.

Thirdly, I have never said the bible was "peaceful" or book of peace.

As you can see, these two quotes of mine, revealing I am not being sarcastic.

Jews and Christians both believed in the Hebrew Scriptures, which the Jews called Tanakh, but Christians called the Old Testament bible, show the lives of people in these stories, hardly ones of peace.

Unlike Muslims who whitewash certain stories, the authors to the Old Testament provide a more realistic narratives, even though it may not be historical or historically accurate.

When I read the Qur'an, I can see that Muhammad has tampered with well-known stories, and turned into a propaganda piece of crap. Muhammad not only used stories from the bible, but also copied certain parts that were clearly from rabbinic literature - Midrash and Aggadah - and works from the apocrypha.

No one take the works from the apocrypha seriously.

And the Midrash and Aggadah are stories retold through oral tradition, are exegetical recounting, also never mean to be taken seriously, because they contain even more embellishments, and was meant to entertain children with folklore and fable.

For instance, if you bothered to read the story of King Solomon in the bible (eg 1 Kings), none of it say he could understand the languages of animals or command them as if they were in his army. None of the books that speak of Solomon's life say that he could control demons (or what you Muslims called jinns). None of it say that he can control the winds and storms.

Communicating animals, and controlling animals, demons or winds, all come references from Midrash and narrated in the Aggadah.

Clearly Muhammad heard a lot of stories from oral tradition, which is what all Midrash and Aggadah derived from, and such a prophet cannot even distinguish between canonical stories and non-canonical stories, only further demonstrate to me that Muhammad isn't and never was a prophet.

Muhammad mixed stories up, and seem incapable of telling which sources come from where. This is why the Qur'an is such train-wreck of a scripture, because it clearly show his confusion. But also clearly he invented new stories, or modified them, as a propaganda, as a mean of elevating himself as a prophet and his new religion.

Such propaganda modification can be seen in the the story in which Abraham was commanded to sacrifice his son.

In Genesis, this son is Isaac.

But Muhammad claimed to be a direct descendant of Ishmael, Abraham's other son. So Muhammad modified the story so that it was Ishamel, not Isaac, about to sacrifice his son to God, but either God or an angel intervene at the last moment, so that the son is spared.

Clearly Muhammad is egotistical enough, wanting to promote his own ancestry, by dishonestly changing the story slightly, by swapping the characters around.

The story of Abraham going to Arabia with Hagar and their young son Ishmael, in which Abraham left them there, in what would later be Mecca, is clearly an invention and propaganda.

It is these sort of adaptation of the bible stories and Muhammad's own invention that make it quite clear to me that the Qur'an is nothing more than propaganda, a self-promotion for Muhammad. And it is why I couldn't believe a single thing about Qur'an or Islam.

 

[Reflex]

How would one understand "I will surely obliterate the remembrance of Amalek from beneath the heavens" if it is not literal?
Regards

First, put it it's cultural and historical context. Second, why are skeptics more prone to take things literally than those whom they criticize?

 

[paarsurrey]

The only place in the world where Islam was received without the sword is Indonesia. Look it up if you don't believe me.

You are simply wrong.
Islam spread to Maldives very peacefully. Right?
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Was Islam spread by the sword?
No.
Islam did not spread by sword. In fact sword is a hindrance in the way of spread of Islam. Quran provides both commandments and the gist of wisdom of the same; this peculiarity is not retained in book of any other revealed religion.Islam flourishes most in peace with its strong reasonable and rational arguments.
For example:

Spread of Islam in [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cook_Islands'] Cook Islands[/URL]o: [1]

The Cook Islands ( i/ˈkʊk ˈaɪləndz/; Cook Islands Māori: Kūki 'Āirani[4]) is an island country in the South Pacific Ocean in free association with New Zealand. It comprises 15 islands whose total land area is 240 square kilometres (92.7 sq mi). The Cook Islands' Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ), however, covers 1,800,000 square kilometres (690,000 sq mi) of ocean.[5]

Tapuaetai (One Foot Island) in the southern part of Aitutaki Atoll

Country/Region:[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cook_Islands'] Cook Islands[/URL]
Muslim population 2010 Pew Report[1]:< 1,000
Muslim percentage (%) of total population 2010 Pew Report[1] :< 0.1
Percentage (%) of World Muslim population 2010 Pew Report[1] :0.1
Muslim Population Other Sources : -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

I don't see any sword in spread of Islam in [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cook_Islands'] Cook Islands[/URL] . Do you see any?
Please correct me if I am wrong.

Regards

 

[Reflex]

You are simply wrong.
Islam spread to Maldives very peacefully. Right?
Regards

Do you know what the symbol "<" means? Is the Muslim invasion of Sweden and Germany "peaceful" because weapons of non-assimilation and guilt are used instead of guns?

 

[paarsurrey]

Do you know what the symbol "<" means? Is the Muslim invasion of Sweden and Germany "peaceful" because weapons of non-assimilation and guilt are used instead of guns?

It means less than. Right?
Regards

 

[outhouse]

.Islam flourishes most in peace

You mean terrorism and genocide ????

 

[outhouse]

I don't see any sword in spread of Islam in [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cook_Islands'] Cook Islands [/URL][URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo'].[/URL]

Is that where islam originated????


or is this more blatant proselytizing?

 

[paarsurrey]

Is that where islam originated????
or is this more blatant proselytizing?

Did I ever say that Islam originated in Congo? If so please quote from me. My view is about spread of Islam peacefully in Congo. Right? Please
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

The only place in the world where Islam was received without the sword is Indonesia. Look it up if you don't believe me.

Islam spread to India, peacefully:

Islam in Kerala [1]
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Syed Nagar Mosque, Taliparamba East : Kannamparambu Mosque, Calicut
Religion in Kerala :
Religion Percent
Hinduism 54.2%

Islam 26.7%
Christianity 18.4%
Others 1.0%
Source:2011 Census of India[1]

Islam is the second-most practiced religion in the Indian state of Kerala with 24.7% of the population according to the 2001 Census of India figures.[1]The religion reached Kerala by the Arabs merchants and immigrants in coastal regions, prior to the arrival of Muslim Central Asian nomadic clans in India.

British Period[edit]
Prior to the independence of India, the present-day state of Kerala comprised the three areas known as Malabar District, Travancore and Cochin.[2]There had been considerable trade relations between Arabia and Kerala even before the time of Islamic prophet Muhammad. Islam might have been introduced in the region by the Arab traders in the 7th or 8th century AD. Like the Jews and Christians, the Arabs also settled down at Cranganore and established a separate colony of their part of the town. According to a tradition, Cheraman Perumal, the last of the Chera kings, became a convert to Islam and traveled to Mecca and this event helped the spread of Islam.[3][page needed]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Kerala

I don't see any sword in spread of Islam in Kerala. Do you see any?
Please correct me if I am wrong.

Regards

 

[outhouse]

Islam spread to India, peacefully:

Is that where islam originated????


or is this more blatant proselytizing?

THAT IS NOTHING YOU CAN SHOW WITH CREDIBILITY

 

[outhouse]

I don't see any sword in spread of Islam in Kerala. Do you see any?

YOU need to look before you post

This trend was reversed during the Mysore invasions of the late 18th century.

during invasion of North Kerala by Tipu Sultan, he forcefully converted many Hindus to Islam

 

[paarsurrey]

YOU need to look before you post
This trend was reversed during the Mysore invasions of the late 18th century.
during invasion of North Kerala by Tipu Sultan, he forcefully converted many Hindus to Islam

Please note your contradictions.
You wanted to know as to how in a region Islam's original spread happened #3232. So, it happened in the time of Muhammad, very peacefully. Tipu Sultan ruled 12 centuries later:

Islam in India constitutes the second-most practiced religion after Hinduism, with approximately 151 million Muslims in India's population as of 2007 (according to government census 2001), i.e., 13.4 percent of the population. Currently, India has the third largest population of Muslims in the world, after Indonesia and Pakistan.
Islam in India has had a fascinating, and powerful impact. Indeed, Islam has become woven into the very fabric of Indian civilization and culture. Muslims arrived in India during the life ofMuhammad the Prophet, establishing mosques and organizing missionary endeavors in the seventh century C.E. Those missionary efforts proved successful, rooting Islam firmly into Indian life. As often happens with missionary movements from all religions, merchant and trade endeavors went hand in hand with missionary work.
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Islam_in_India
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Regards

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[Shad]

Please note your contradictions.
You wanted to know as to how in a region Islam's original spread happened #3232. So, it happened in the time of Muhammad, very peacefully. Tipu Sultan ruled 12 centuries later:

Moving the goal posts. You provide link upon link of Islam spreading. However when your own links show at times it was based on force conversion you change your tune. Your reasoning is flawed. That is not a contradiction but a change in policy.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/move-the-goalposts

No Outhouse said "Is that where Islam originated" not "Original spread into a nation" Your grasp of English and reading comprehension are horrible or you are dishonest.

 

[paarsurrey]

Mestemia said: ↑
In Post #2682
What does the Koran say about cars?
What does the Koran say about cloning?
What does the Koran say about medicine?
other than camel urine is a magical cure all...
paarsurrey said: ↑
Are you against animals? Camel is an innocent animal. Isn't it? Please

Paarsurrey says:
FULFILLED PROPHECIES OF THE HOLY QURAN
by Ansar Raza, Canada
GENETIC ENGINEERING
"They will alter Allah's creation."(4:120):*
The holy Quran has prophesied the plastic surgery, genetic engineering and cloning in this short and concise sentence.
https://www.alislam.org/library/articles/prophecies.html
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[4:118]They invoke beside Him none but lifeless objects; and they invoke none but Satan, the rebellious,
[4:119]Whom Allah has cursed. And he said, ‘I will assuredly take a fixed portion from Thy servants;
[4:120]‘And assuredly I will lead them astray and assuredly I will excite in them vain desires, and assuredly I will incite them and they will cut the ears of cattle; and assuredly I will incite them and they will alter Allah’s creation.’ And he who takes Satan for a friend beside Allah has certainly suffered a manifest loss.
[4:121]He holds out promises to them and raises vain desires in them, and Satan promises them nothing but vain things.
[4:122]These are they whose abode shall be Hell and they shall find no way of escape from it.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=4&verse=120
Quran does not claim to be a text book on cloning. Does it? Please

Regards

 

[outhouse]

Islam in India

Islam arrived in north India in the 12th century with Turkic invasions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_India

So massive bloodshed started islam in india with a forced invasion !!!!!

 

[outhouse]

Your grasp of English and reading comprehension are horrible or you are dishonest.

I believe it is the later

 

[outhouse]

Please note your contradictions.

PLEASE NOTE YOUR SEVERE QUOTE MINING

You quoted another encyclopedia and you do know we require honesty?


YOU need to read before you post, the wiki links are included to the exact quotes. You purposely quoted another encyclopedia because it stated something different


MY sources are credible.


This trend was reversed during the Mysore invasions of the late 18th century.

during invasion of North Kerala by Tipu Sultan, he forcefully converted many Hindus to Islam

FROM YOUR LINK

The emergence of Islam in the region took place at the same time as the Turko-Muslim invasion of medieval India

 

[paarsurrey]

Was Islam spread by the sword?

Islam spread to Kerala, India, very peacefully in the times of Muhammad in the seventh century by the efforts of the Arab traders, there was no invasion or attack. Right? Please
Regards